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From: Sohil Mehta <sohil.mehta@intel.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Xin Li <xin@zytor.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>, <x86@kernel.org>,
	"Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	"Ahmed S. Darwish" <darwi@linutronix.de>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] x86/fred: enable FRED by default
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2026 10:19:00 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8cba266d-4d3d-4058-a4b4-b937395e50e3@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <C6340C57-DEB3-4A1B-A2FE-28CC1D1591C7@zytor.com>

On 3/24/2026 12:50 AM, H. Peter Anvin wrote:

Giving it one last try if I can change your mind :)

> On March 23, 2026 10:08:42 PM PDT, Sohil Mehta <sohil.mehta@intel.com> wrote:
>> On 3/23/2026 8:52 PM, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>>>>> Nit: Would it be better to compare with "off" rather than not on?
>>>>
>>>> +1 :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> It would change the meaning of something like "fred=0" though.
>>>
>>
>> I don't believe we have ever supported fred=0 or fred=1, did we?
>>
>> Also, I am not sure about letting userspace be creative with command
>> line parameters :) For example, fred=yes and fred=enable will both pass
>> the same check and cause FRED to be disabled.
> 
> Unfortunately right now we *are* being creative: anytime but the exact string "on" disables FRED. 

You are right, we are accepting invalid inputs today. There is a slight
difference though. The default right now is FRED disabled. So any
invalid input would not change the kernel default. Only fred=on enables
the feature.

With FRED proposed to be default on, I think we should match the above
and only let fred=off disable it. All other inputs should be ignored.

> This is a general problem. 

I agree. In general, we shouldn't even need special command line
parameters to *disable* features. clearcpuid=fred would have been
equivalent to fred=off if it didn't taint the kernel. I don't know the
exact history about why the taint is needed.

> In the kernel; overall I feel promoting foo= syntax for booleans, which was not the original style, was a mistake, but here we are.
> 
> Anyway, I don't have a strong preference and I think we can leave that policy decision to the maintainers. 
> 

Yes, that's completely fine with me. I won't push for it any further.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-24 17:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-23 20:15 H. Peter Anvin
2026-03-23 20:15 ` [PATCH 1/2] " H. Peter Anvin
2026-03-23 20:15 ` [PATCH 2/2] x86/Kconfig: tighten up wording of the CONFIG_X86_FRED help text H. Peter Anvin
2026-03-23 20:24 ` [PATCH 0/2] x86/fred: enable FRED by default Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-24  1:01 ` Sohil Mehta
2026-03-24  3:05   ` Xin Li
2026-03-24  3:52     ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-03-24  5:08       ` Sohil Mehta
2026-03-24  6:34         ` Sohil Mehta
2026-03-24  7:50         ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-03-24 17:19           ` Sohil Mehta [this message]
2026-03-24 19:53             ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-25 16:22               ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-03-25 16:30                 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-25 16:41                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-03-25 17:07                   ` Sohil Mehta
2026-03-24 19:50   ` Borislav Petkov

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