From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: mikelley@microsoft.com, kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: bp@alien8.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, decui@microsoft.com,
haiyangz@microsoft.com, kys@microsoft.com,
linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
lirongqing@baidu.com, mingo@redhat.com, seanjc@google.com,
tglx@linutronix.de, wei.liu@kernel.org, x86@kernel.org
Subject: RE: [PATCH] clockevents/drivers/i8253: Do not zero timer counter in shutdown
Date: Thu, 01 Aug 2024 10:00:38 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8eb7ba99a746110597bbac6f1e027aa63384dfce.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR21MB168840B3814336ED510845C0D7D89@BYAPR21MB1688.namprd21.prod.outlook.com>
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On 2023-02-08 at 01:04:19 +0000, "Michael Kelley (LINUX)" <mikelley@microsoft.com> said:
> From: lirongqing@baidu.com <lirongqing@baidu.com> Sent: Monday, February 6, 2023 5:15 PM
> >
> > Zeroing the counter register in pit_shutdown() isn't actually supposed to
> > stop it from counting, will causes the PIT to start running again,
> > From the spec:
> >
> > The largest possible initial count is 0; this is equivalent to 216 for
> > binary counting and 104 for BCD counting.
> >
> > The Counter does not stop when it reaches zero. In Modes 0, 1, 4, and 5 the
> > Counter "wraps around" to the highest count, either FFFF hex for binary
> > count- ing or 9999 for BCD counting, and continues counting.
> >
> > Mode 0 is typically used for event counting. After the Control Word is
> > written, OUT is initially low, and will remain low until the Counter
> > reaches zero. OUT then goes high and remains high until a new count or a
> > new Mode 0 Control Word is written into the Counter.
> >
> > Hyper-V and KVM follow the spec, the issue that 35b69a42 "(clockevents/drivers/
> > i8253: Add support for PIT shutdown quirk") fixed is in i8253 drivers, not Hyper-v,
> > so delete the zero timer counter register in shutdown, and delete PIT shutdown
> > quirk for Hyper-v
>
> From the standpoint of Hyper-V, I'm good with this change. But there's a
> risk that old hardware might not be compliant with the spec, and needs the
> zero'ing for some reason. The experts in the x86 space will be in the best
> position to assess the risk. At the time, the quirk approach was taken so
> the change applied only to Hyper-V, and any such risk was avoided.
>
> For Hyper-V,
> Reviewed-by: Michael Kelley <mikelley@microsoft.com>
It's not entirely clear why we zero it at all. What was it supposed to
achieve?
I suppose if we want to be ultra-careful, perhaps we could do the
zeroing only on real hardware, if hypervisor_is_type(X86_HYPER_NATIVE)?
This does seem to be making VMMs spend a bunch of time stealing cycles
from the guest to emulate an unwanted timer, so it would be good to fix
it.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-08-01 9:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-02-07 1:14 lirongqing
2023-02-08 1:04 ` Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2023-02-08 15:04 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-02-24 9:45 ` Li,Rongqing
[not found] ` <3b8496c071214bda9e5ecfa048f18ab9@baidu.com>
2023-04-13 1:28 ` Wei Liu
[not found] ` <1311175816673.202304.ZDdawTGHoa/UH20U@liuwe-devbox-debian-v2>
2023-04-14 5:17 ` Li,Rongqing
2024-08-01 9:00 ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2024-08-01 15:22 ` David Woodhouse
2024-08-01 21:07 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-08-01 21:10 ` David Woodhouse
2024-08-01 14:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-08-01 16:14 ` Michael Kelley
2024-08-01 18:54 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-08-02 8:21 ` David Woodhouse
2024-08-02 14:55 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-02 15:04 ` David Woodhouse
2024-08-12 23:59 ` Sean Christopherson
2024-08-13 6:39 ` David Woodhouse
2024-08-01 17:49 ` David Woodhouse
2024-08-01 18:25 ` David Woodhouse
2024-08-01 18:57 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-08-02 8:07 ` David Woodhouse
2024-08-02 10:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-08-02 11:04 ` David Woodhouse
2024-08-02 13:27 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-08-02 13:46 ` David Woodhouse
2024-08-01 19:06 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-08-01 19:21 ` David Woodhouse
2024-08-01 20:00 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-08-01 20:49 ` David Woodhouse
2024-08-01 21:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2024-08-01 21:31 ` David Woodhouse
2024-08-02 9:55 ` David Woodhouse
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