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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
	Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>
Cc: kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 14/20] KVM: selftests: Collect *all* dirty entries in each dirty_log_test iteration
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 13:55:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <93e571e9-5539-454f-9335-6de8339ffd8b@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z2OBYYQq6cwptSws@google.com>

On 12/19/24 03:13, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 17, 2024, Maxim Levitsky wrote:
>> While this patch might improve coverage for this particular case,
>> I think that this patch will make the test to be much more deterministic,
> 
> The verification will be more deterministic, but the actual testcase itself is
> just as random as it was before.

Based on my recollection of designing this thing with Peter, I can 
"confirm" that there was no particular intention of making the 
verification more random.

>> and thus have less chance of catching various races in the kernel that can happen.
>>
>> In fact in my option I prefer moving this test in other direction by
>> verifying dirty ring while the *vCPU runs* as well, in other words, not
>> stopping the vCPU at all unless its dirty ring is full.
> 
> But letting the vCPU-under-test keep changing the memory while it's being validated
> would add significant complexity, without any benefit insofar as I can see.  As
> evidenced by the bug the current approach can't detect, heavily stressing the
> system is meaningless if it's impossible to separate the signal from the noise.

Yes, I agree.

Paolo


  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-19 12:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-14  1:07 [PATCH 00/20] KVM: selftests: Fixes and cleanups for dirty_log_test Sean Christopherson
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 01/20] KVM: selftests: Support multiple write retires in dirty_log_test Sean Christopherson
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 02/20] KVM: selftests: Sync dirty_log_test iteration to guest *before* resuming Sean Christopherson
2024-12-17 23:58   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-18 21:36     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-19 15:11       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 03/20] KVM: selftests: Drop signal/kick from dirty ring testcase Sean Christopherson
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 04/20] KVM: selftests: Drop stale srandom() initialization from dirty_log_test Sean Christopherson
2024-12-17 23:59   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 05/20] KVM: selftests: Precisely track number of dirty/clear pages for each iteration Sean Christopherson
2024-12-17 23:59   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-18 21:37     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 06/20] KVM: selftests: Read per-page value into local var when verifying dirty_log_test Sean Christopherson
2024-12-17 23:59   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 07/20] KVM: selftests: Continuously reap dirty ring while vCPU is running Sean Christopherson
2024-12-18  0:00   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-19  1:50     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 08/20] KVM: selftests: Limit dirty_log_test's s390x workaround to s390x Sean Christopherson
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 09/20] KVM: selftests: Honor "stop" request in dirty ring test Sean Christopherson
2024-12-18  0:00   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-19  2:00     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-19 15:07       ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-19 15:23         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-19 15:57           ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 10/20] KVM: selftests: Keep dirty_log_test vCPU in guest until it needs to stop Sean Christopherson
2024-12-18  0:01   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-19 15:59     ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 11/20] KVM: selftests: Post to sem_vcpu_stop if and only if vcpu_stop is true Sean Christopherson
2024-12-18  0:01   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 12/20] KVM: selftests: Use continue to handle all "pass" scenarios in dirty_log_test Sean Christopherson
2024-12-18  0:01   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 13/20] KVM: selftests: Print (previous) last_page on dirty page value mismatch Sean Christopherson
2024-12-18  0:01   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 14/20] KVM: selftests: Collect *all* dirty entries in each dirty_log_test iteration Sean Christopherson
2024-12-18  0:02   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-19  2:13     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-19 12:55       ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2024-12-19 15:01         ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 15/20] KVM: sefltests: Verify value of dirty_log_test last page isn't bogus Sean Christopherson
2024-12-18  0:02   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 16/20] KVM: selftests: Ensure guest writes min number of pages in dirty_log_test Sean Christopherson
2024-12-18  0:02   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 17/20] KVM: selftests: Tighten checks around prev iter's last dirty page in ring Sean Christopherson
2024-12-18  0:03   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 18/20] KVM: selftests: Set per-iteration variables at the start of each iteration Sean Christopherson
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 19/20] KVM: selftests: Fix an off-by-one in the number of dirty_log_test iterations Sean Christopherson
2024-12-18  0:03   ` Maxim Levitsky
2024-12-14  1:07 ` [PATCH 20/20] KVM: selftests: Allow running a single iteration of dirty_log_test Sean Christopherson
2024-12-18  0:03   ` Maxim Levitsky

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