From: Ravi Bangoria <ravi.bangoria@amd.com>
To: Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Kan Liang <kan.liang@linux.intel.com>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Stephane Eranian <eranian@google.com>,
Sandipan Das <sandipan.das@amd.com>,
Ravi Bangoria <ravi.bangoria@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/5] perf/core: Add PERF_FORMAT_DROPPED
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 10:13:24 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9da44581-9a87-4ee8-9d45-ccd74283bdf7@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZxlA2ZXbzg5dlKhM@google.com>
>>> When a perf_event is dropped due to some kind of (SW-based) filter, it
>>> won't generate sample data. For example, software events drops samples
>>> when it doesn't match to privilege from exclude_{user,kernel}.
>>>
>>> In order to account such dropped samples, add a new counter in the
>>> perf_event, and let users can read(2) the number with the new
>>> PERF_FORMAT_DROPPED like the lost sample count.
>>
>> Are we sure there's no scenario where exposing the dropped event count
>> gives an unprivileged user a way to probe what's happening in the
>> kernel, which is supposed to be prevented by exclude_kernel?
>>
>> Clearly it provides an attacker with some information, ie. the event
>> fired in the kernel and was dropped.
>>
>> For most events that's not very interesting, but for some maybe it could
>> be a useful signal?
>
> Hmm.. good point. It'd give some information to users. I'm not sure
> how much impact it'd have, but there are some folks who want to know
> exact number of samples including dropped ones to reconstruct total
> period for the monitoring session.
Can we restrict PERF_FORMAT_DROPPED to perfmon_capable() if it's a
genuine problem? Or would it defeat the whole purpose of _DROPPED
count?
Thanks,
Ravi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-10-24 4:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-10-23 0:09 [PATCH v4 0/5] perf: Relax privilege restriction on AMD IBS Namhyung Kim
2024-10-23 0:09 ` [PATCH v4 1/5] perf/core: Add PERF_FORMAT_DROPPED Namhyung Kim
2024-10-23 11:05 ` Michael Ellerman
2024-10-23 18:30 ` Namhyung Kim
2024-10-24 4:43 ` Ravi Bangoria [this message]
2024-10-28 18:53 ` Namhyung Kim
2024-10-23 0:09 ` [PATCH v4 2/5] perf/core: Export perf_exclude_event() Namhyung Kim
2024-10-23 7:33 ` Thomas Richter
2024-10-23 0:09 ` [PATCH v4 3/5] perf/core: Account dropped samples from BPF Namhyung Kim
2024-10-23 16:12 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-10-23 18:47 ` Namhyung Kim
2024-10-23 19:13 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-10-23 20:32 ` Namhyung Kim
2024-10-23 21:24 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-10-28 18:56 ` Namhyung Kim
2024-10-23 0:09 ` [PATCH v4 4/5] perf/powerpc: Count dropped samples in core-book3s PMU Namhyung Kim
2024-10-23 0:09 ` [PATCH v4 5/5] perf/x86: Relax privilege filter restriction on AMD IBS Namhyung Kim
2024-10-24 6:05 ` [PATCH v4 0/5] perf: Relax privilege " Ravi Bangoria
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