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From: "Jon Smirl" <jonsmirl@gmail.com>
To: "Alan Cox" <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, "Greg KH" <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, "Andrew Morton" <akpm@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Clean up old names in tty code to current names
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 08:41:50 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9e4733910607100541i744dd744n16c35c50dae1e98d@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1152524657.27368.108.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On 7/10/06, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
> Ar Llu, 2006-07-10 am 00:11 -0400, ysgrifennodd Jon Smirl:
> > Fix various places in the tty code to make it match the current naming system.
> >         pty_slave_driver->driver_name = "pty_slave";
>
>
> NAK to just about all of this. Its gratuitous breaking of existing apps,
> it achieves nothing and some of it like the pty stuff is just plain
> incorrect anyway.

The whole naming scheme encoded into the tty code is incompatible with
udev. Udev allows renames and this code isn't aware of them.

I thought the idea behind udev was to remove all of this naming code
from the kernel and handle it in user space. So if I want legacy
device names I would add a section to /etc/udev to create them. Udev
is already capable of doing this.

> If you want to add sysfs interfaces to the tty code great, but please
> leave the existing, relied up, functional and effectively user space ABI
> tty files alone.

So far I haven't identified anything that is really needed that isn't
already available in sysfs.

It does seem that we are missing a user space library call for
converting a device number into a device name using the udev database.

On 7/9/06, Albert Cahalan <acahalan@gmail.com> wrote:
> BSD just uses devname(3) in libc, which asks the kernel via
> the kern.devname sysctl. So, /proc/sys/kern/devname for us.
> This is essentially what /proc/tty/drivers is today, except
> that FreeBSD standardized on a fully functional devfs.
>
> Solaris uses _ttyname_dev(dev_t,buf,bufsize), also in libc.
> This is horribly slow, involving a recursive search of
> directories listed in the /etc/ttysrch file. The interface
> is nice though. You get: ttyname, ttyname_r, _ttyname_dev.


-- 
Jon Smirl
jonsmirl@gmail.com

  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-10 12:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-07-10  4:11 Jon Smirl
2006-07-10  4:54 ` Andrew Morton
2006-07-10  7:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-10  9:44 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-10 12:41   ` Jon Smirl [this message]
2006-07-10 13:10     ` Alan Cox
2006-07-10 13:03       ` Jon Smirl
2006-07-10 13:12         ` CaT
2006-07-10 13:18           ` Jon Smirl
2006-07-10 13:43         ` Alan Cox
2006-07-10 14:07           ` Jon Smirl
2006-07-10 14:17             ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-10 14:37             ` Alan Cox
2006-07-10 14:42             ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-07-10 14:57               ` Jon Smirl
2006-07-10 15:19                 ` Alan Cox
2006-07-10 15:10                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-10 15:21                     ` Russell King
2006-07-10 15:38                       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-07-10 15:35                   ` Antonino A. Daplas
2006-07-10 15:54                     ` Jon Smirl
2006-07-10 16:04                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2006-07-10 22:14                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2006-07-10 18:13               ` Alistair John Strachan
2006-07-11 21:54             ` Greg KH
2006-07-11 21:52     ` Greg KH
2006-07-11  2:18 Albert Cahalan

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