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From: Xiao Guangrong <xiaoguangrong.eric@gmail.com>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	avi.kivity@gmail.com,
	"pbonzini@redhat.com Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 04/12] KVM: MMU: log dirty page after marking spte writable
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 22:20:09 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <B166B522-2CDB-44CA-B594-687B45A1CF01@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131120002920.GA14230@amt.cnet>


On Nov 20, 2013, at 8:29 AM, Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 07, 2013 at 12:06:49PM +0800, Xiao Guangrong wrote:
>> On 08/07/2013 09:48 AM, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 09:02:02PM +0800, Xiao Guangrong wrote:
>>>> Make sure we can see the writable spte before the dirt bitmap is visible
>>>> 
>>>> We do this is for kvm_vm_ioctl_get_dirty_log() write-protects the spte based
>>>> on the dirty bitmap, we should ensure the writable spte can be found in rmap
>>>> before the dirty bitmap is visible. Otherwise, we cleared the dirty bitmap and
>>>> failed to write-protect the page
>>>> 
>>>> Signed-off-by: Xiao Guangrong <xiaoguangrong@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
>>>> ---
>>>> arch/x86/kvm/mmu.c | 6 +++---
>>>> 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
>>> 
>>> Can you explain why this is safe, with regard to the rule 
>>> at edde99ce05290e50 ?
>> 
>> BTW, this log fixed this case:
>> 
>>    VCPU 0                KVM migration control
>> 
>>                          write-protects all pages
>> #Pf happen then the page
>> become writable, set dirty
>> bit on the bitmap
>> 
>>                         swap the bitmap, current bitmap is empty
>> 
>> write the page (no dirty log)
>> 
>>                         stop the guest and push
>>                         the remaining dirty pages
>> Stopped
>>                         See current bitmap is empty that means
>>                         no page is dirty.
>>> 
>>> "The rule is that all pages are either dirty in the current bitmap,
>>> or write-protected, which is violated here."
>> 
>> Actually, this rule is not complete true, there's the 3th case:
>> the window between write guest page and set dirty bitmap is valid.
>> In that window, page is write-free and not dirty logged.
>> 
>> This case is based on the fact that at the final step of live migration,
>> kvm should stop the guest and push the remaining dirty pages to the
>> destination.
>> 
>> They're some examples in the current code:
>> example 1, in fast_pf_fix_direct_spte():
>> 	if (cmpxchg64(sptep, spte, spte | PT_WRITABLE_MASK) == spte)
>> 		/* The window in here... */
>> 		mark_page_dirty(vcpu->kvm, gfn);
>> 
>> example 2, in kvm_write_guest_page():
>> 	r = __copy_to_user((void __user *)addr + offset, data, len);
>> 	if (r)
>> 		return -EFAULT;
>> 	/*
>> 	 * The window is here, the page is dirty but not logged in
>>        * The bitmap.
>> 	 */
>> 	mark_page_dirty(kvm, gfn);
>> 	return 0;
> 

Hi Marcelo,

> Why is this valid ? That is, the obviously correct rule is
> 
> "that all pages are either dirty in the current bitmap,
> or write-protected, which is violated here."
> 
> With the window above, GET_DIRTY_LOG can be called 100 times while the 
> page is dirty, but the corresponding bit not set in the dirty bitmap.
> 
> It violates the documentation:
> 
> /* for KVM_GET_DIRTY_LOG */
> struct kvm_dirty_log {
>       __u32 slot;
>       __u32 padding;
>       union {
>               void __user *dirty_bitmap; /* one bit per page */
>               __u64 padding;
>       };
> };
> 
> Given a memory slot, return a bitmap containing any pages dirtied
> since the last call to this ioctl.  Bit 0 is the first page in the
> memory slot.  Ensure the entire structure is cleared to avoid padding
> issues.
> 
> The point about migration, is that GET_DIRTY_LOG is strictly correct
> because it stops vcpus.
> 
> But what guarantee does userspace require, from GET_DIRTY_LOG, while vcpus are
> executing? 

Aha. Single calling GET_DIRTY_LOG is useless since new dirty page can be generated
when GET_DIRTY_LOG is being returned. If user wants to get exact dirty pages the vcpus
should be stopped. 

> 
> With fast page fault:
> 
>      if (cmpxchg64(sptep, spte, spte | PT_WRITABLE_MASK) == spte)
>              /* The window in here... */
>              mark_page_dirty(vcpu->kvm, gfn);
> 
> And the $SUBJECT set_spte reordering, the rule becomes
> 
> A call to GET_DIRTY_LOG guarantees to return correct information about 
> dirty pages before invocation of the previous GET_DIRTY_LOG call.
> 
> (see example 1: the next GET_DIRTY_LOG will return the dirty information
> there).
> 

It seems no.

The first GET_DIRTY_LOG can happen before fast-page-fault,
the second GET_DIRTY_LOG happens in the window between cmpxchg()
and mark_page_dirty(), for the second one, the information is still “incorrect”.

> The rule for sptes that is, because kvm_write_guest does not match the
> documentation at all.

You mean the case of “kvm_write_guest” is valid (I do not know why it is)?
Or anything else?

> 
> So before example 1 and this patch, the rule (well for sptes at least) was
> 
> "Given a memory slot, return a bitmap containing any pages dirtied
> since the last call to this ioctl.  Bit 0 is the first page in the
> memory slot.  Ensure the entire structure is cleared to avoid padding
> issues."
> 
> Can you explain why it is OK to relax this rule?

It’s because:
1) it doesn’t break current use cases, i.e. Live migration and FB-flushing.
2) the current code, like kvm_write_guest  has already broken the documentation
   (the guest page has been written but missed in the dirty bitmap).
3) it’s needless to implement a exact get-dirty-pages since the dirty pages can
   no be exactly got except stopping vcpus. 

So i think we'd document this case instead. No?



  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-11-20 14:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-30 13:01 [RFC PATCH 00/12] KVM: MMU: locklessly wirte-protect Xiao Guangrong
2013-07-30 13:01 ` [PATCH 01/12] KVM: MMU: remove unused parameter Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-29  7:22   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-07-30 13:02 ` [PATCH 02/12] KVM: MMU: properly check last spte in fast_page_fault() Xiao Guangrong
2013-07-30 13:02 ` [PATCH 03/12] KVM: MMU: lazily drop large spte Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-02 14:55   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-08-02 15:42     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-02 20:27       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-08-02 22:56         ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-07-30 13:02 ` [PATCH 04/12] KVM: MMU: log dirty page after marking spte writable Xiao Guangrong
2013-07-30 13:26   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-31  7:25     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-07  1:48   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-08-07  4:06     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-08 15:06       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-08-08 16:26         ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-20  0:29       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-20  0:35         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-20 14:20         ` Xiao Guangrong [this message]
2013-11-20 19:47           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-21  4:26             ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-07-30 13:02 ` [PATCH 05/12] KVM: MMU: add spte into rmap before logging dirty page Xiao Guangrong
2013-07-30 13:27   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-07-31  7:33     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-07-30 13:02 ` [PATCH 06/12] KVM: MMU: flush tlb if the spte can be locklessly modified Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-28  7:23   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-28  7:50     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-07-30 13:02 ` [PATCH 07/12] KVM: MMU: redesign the algorithm of pte_list Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-28  8:12   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-28  8:37     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-28  8:58       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-28  9:19         ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-07-30 13:02 ` [PATCH 08/12] KVM: MMU: introduce nulls desc Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-28  8:40   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-28  8:54     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-07-30 13:02 ` [PATCH 09/12] KVM: MMU: introduce pte-list lockless walker Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-28  9:20   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-28  9:33     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-28  9:46       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-28 10:13         ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-28 10:49           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-28 12:15             ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-28 13:36               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-29  6:50                 ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-29  9:08                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-29  9:31                     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-29  9:51                       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-29 11:26                         ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-30 11:38                           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-09-02  7:02                             ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-29  9:31                   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-29 11:33                     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-29 12:02                       ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-30 11:44                         ` Gleb Natapov
2013-09-02  8:50                           ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-07-30 13:02 ` [PATCH 10/12] KVM: MMU: allow locklessly access shadow page table out of vcpu thread Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-07 13:09   ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2013-08-07 13:19     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-29  9:10   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-29  9:25     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-07-30 13:02 ` [PATCH 11/12] KVM: MMU: locklessly write-protect the page Xiao Guangrong
2013-07-30 13:02 ` [PATCH 12/12] KVM: MMU: clean up spte_write_protect Xiao Guangrong
2013-07-30 13:11 ` [RFC PATCH 00/12] KVM: MMU: locklessly wirte-protect Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-03  5:09 ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2013-08-04 14:15   ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-29  7:16   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-08-06 13:16 ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-08-08 17:38   ` Paolo Bonzini
2013-08-09  4:51     ` Xiao Guangrong

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