From: Daniel Almeida <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Cc: "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
"Bjorn Helgaas" <bhelgaas@google.com>,
"Krzysztof Wilczy´nski" <kwilczynski@kernel.org>,
"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org,
linux-pci@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 3/6] rust: irq: add support for non-threaded IRQs and handlers
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2025 13:07:32 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CF821F27-7F78-4B3E-AF62-887341EAA7BE@collabora.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aIEE4Tt7xtaX-9V9@tardis-2.local>
[…]
>>
>>
>> Because it is not as explicit. The main thing we should be conveying to users
>> here is how to get a &mut or otherwise mutate the data when running the
>> handler. When people see AtomicU32, it's a quick jump to "I can make this work
>> by using other locks, like SpinLockIrq". Completions hide this, IMHO.
>>
>
> I understand your argument. However, I'm not sure the example of
> `irq::Registration` is the right place to do this. On one hand, it's one
> of the usage of interior mutability as you said, but on the other hand,
> for people who are familiar with interior mutability, the difference
> between `AtomicU32` and `Completion` is not that much. That's kinda my
> argument why using `Completion` in the example here is fine.
>
> Sounds reasonable?
>
>> It's totally possible for someone to see this and say "ok, I can call
>> complete() on this, but how can I mutate the data in some random T struct?",
>> even though these are essentially the same thing from an interior mutability
>> point of view.
>>
>
> We probably better assume that interior mutability is commmon knowledge
> or we could make an link to some documentation of interior mutability,
> for example [1], in the documentation of `handler`. Not saying your
> effort and consideration is not valid, but at the project level,
> interior mutability should be widely acknowledged IMO.
>
> [1]: https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/interior-mutability.html
>
> Regards,
> Boqun
>
>> -- Daniel
I do expect mostly everbody (except brand-new newcomers) to be aware of
interior mutability. What I don't expect is for people _immediately_ see that
it's being used in Completion, and connect the dots from there.
Keyword here being "immediately", users will naturally realize this in a couple
of minutes at max, of course.
Anyways, I guess we can use Completion then. TBH I wasn't aware of the UB
thing, so I can see how you also have a point. On top of that, we can use the
words "interior mutability" somewhere in the example as well to make it even
clearer.
I'll change it for v8.
-- Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-23 16:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-15 15:16 [PATCH v7 0/6] rust: add support for request_irq Daniel Almeida
2025-07-15 15:16 ` [PATCH v7 1/6] rust: irq: add irq module Daniel Almeida
2025-07-15 15:16 ` [PATCH v7 2/6] rust: irq: add flags module Daniel Almeida
2025-07-16 14:20 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-07-16 14:45 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-07-15 15:16 ` [PATCH v7 3/6] rust: irq: add support for non-threaded IRQs and handlers Daniel Almeida
2025-07-16 23:45 ` kernel test robot
2025-07-17 16:20 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-07-21 14:17 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-07-21 14:45 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-07-21 15:10 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-07-21 15:28 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-21 15:39 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-07-23 4:32 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-23 4:57 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-23 5:35 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-07-23 13:51 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-23 13:55 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-07-23 14:26 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-23 14:35 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-23 14:56 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-07-23 15:03 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-23 15:44 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-07-23 15:52 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-23 14:54 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-07-23 15:50 ` Boqun Feng
2025-07-23 16:07 ` Daniel Almeida [this message]
2025-07-23 16:11 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-23 16:18 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-07-23 21:31 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-15 15:16 ` [PATCH v7 4/6] rust: irq: add support for threaded " Daniel Almeida
2025-07-21 14:48 ` Alice Ryhl
2025-07-15 15:16 ` [PATCH v7 5/6] rust: platform: add irq accessors Daniel Almeida
2025-07-15 15:16 ` [PATCH v7 6/6] rust: pci: " Daniel Almeida
2025-07-15 15:32 ` [PATCH v7 0/6] rust: add support for request_irq Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-22 11:41 ` Dirk Behme
2025-07-22 14:52 ` Joel Fernandes
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