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From: "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>
To: "Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>
Cc: "Oliver Mangold" <oliver.mangold@pm.me>,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	"Alex Gaynor" <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	"Boqun Feng" <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	"Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Asahi Lina" <lina+kernel@asahilina.net>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 4/4] rust: Add `OwnableRefCounted`
Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2025 17:39:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DB5XPFYBATZZ.5EH3TWGPHTDB@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87zfdgp253.fsf@kernel.org>

On Mon Jul 7, 2025 at 3:21 PM CEST, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
> "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org> writes:
>
>> On Mon Jul 7, 2025 at 1:12 PM CEST, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
>>> "Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org> writes:
>>>> Ah right, I forgot about this. What was the refcount characteristics of
>>>> this again?
>>>>
>>>> *  1 = in flight, owned by C
>>>> *  2 = in flight, owned by Rust
>>>> * >2 = in flight, owned by Rust + additional references used by Rust
>>>>        code
>>>>
>>>> Correct? Maybe @Andreas can check.
>>>
>>> We have been a bit back and forth on this. This is how we would like it
>>> going forward:
>>>
>>>
>>> /// There are three states for a request that the Rust bindings care about:
>>> ///
>>> /// - 0: The request is owned by C block layer or is uniquely referenced (by [`Owned<_>`]).
>>> /// - 1: The request is owned by Rust abstractions but is not referenced.
>>> /// - 2+: There is one or more [`ARef`] instances referencing the request.
>>
>> Huh, now I'm more confused... Could you go into the details again?
>
> Well, there is not much to it. We found out we can alias "unique" and
> "owned by C".
>
> We initialize the refcount to 0 when we initialize the request
> structure. This happens at queue creation time.

And IIRC this refcount is only on the Rust side, since you store it in
some private data, right?

> When C block layer hands over a request for processing to a Rust driver,
> we `debug_assert!` that the refcount is 0. We unsafely invent an
> `Owned<Request<_>>` and pass that to the driver.

And you don't increment the refcount?

> The driver has the option of `into_shared` to obtain an
> `ARef<Request<_>>`. We use this for remote completion and timer
> completion in rnull.

This operation will set the refcount to 2?

> In most drivers, when the driver hands off the request to the hardware,
> the driver will stop accounting for the request. The `Owned<Request<_>>`
> is consumed when issuing to the driver, or the driver could simply drop
> it. Refcount goes to 1. An ID is passed along to hardware.

And with the current API design it must let go of all `ARef<Request<_>>`
because otherwise it can't call `end_ok` (or some other method?).

> When a completion comes back from hardware, it carries the ID. We use
> the C block layer `tag_to_rq` machinery to turn this ID back into an
> `Owned<Request<_>>`. In that process, we check that `refcount == 1` and
> if so, we set refcount to 0 and invent an `Owned<Request<_>>`.

(because if not, this would be wrong)

I have some idea what we should do for the safety requirements of
`Ownable`, but still need some time to write it down.

---
Cheers,
Benno

> There was simply no need to have two separate values for "owned by C"
> and "owned by Rust, not referenced".
>
> Best regards,
> Andreas Hindborg


  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-07 15:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2025-06-18 12:27 ` [PATCH v11 0/4] New trait OwnableRefCounted for ARef<->Owned conversion Oliver Mangold
2025-06-18 12:27   ` [PATCH v11 1/4] rust: types: Add Ownable/Owned types Oliver Mangold
2025-07-02 11:03     ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07  6:58       ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-07  9:23         ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08  9:56           ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-08 10:16             ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-07-08 13:06               ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 18:30                 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-08 19:18                   ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-09  8:53                     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-09  9:11                       ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 13:22               ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-08 14:53                 ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 15:00             ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 12:26         ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-09-25  8:31       ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-18 12:46     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-18 13:04       ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-18 22:27         ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-19  6:04           ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-19  8:26             ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-19  8:45               ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-19  9:00                 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-19 17:15                   ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-20 10:48                     ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-19  8:53               ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-19 17:13                 ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-19 18:28                   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-20  6:02                   ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-20  7:41                     ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-20  7:43                       ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-20 10:51                         ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-06-18 12:27   ` [PATCH v11 2/4] rust: Split `AlwaysRefCounted` into two traits Oliver Mangold
2025-06-19  3:15     ` kernel test robot
2025-07-02 11:23     ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07  7:42       ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-07  9:27         ` Benno Lossin
2025-06-18 12:27   ` [PATCH v11 3/4] rust: Add missing SAFETY documentation for `ARef` example Oliver Mangold
2025-06-18 12:27   ` [PATCH v11 4/4] rust: Add `OwnableRefCounted` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-02 13:24     ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07  8:07       ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-07  9:33         ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 11:12           ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-07 11:47             ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-07 13:21               ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-07 15:39                 ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2025-07-08 13:15                   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-08 14:50                     ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-08 15:35                       ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-08  9:36           ` Oliver Mangold
2025-07-08 13:42             ` Benno Lossin
2025-08-05 17:23   ` [PATCH v11 0/4] New trait OwnableRefCounted for ARef<->Owned conversion Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-06  5:56     ` Oliver Mangold
2025-08-15 10:12   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-18  5:59     ` Oliver Mangold

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