From: "Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>
To: "Daniel Almeida" <daniel.almeida@collabora.com>
Cc: "FUJITA Tomonori" <fujita.tomonori@gmail.com>,
<a.hindborg@kernel.org>, <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
<ojeda@kernel.org>, <aliceryhl@google.com>,
<anna-maria@linutronix.de>, <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
<boqun.feng@gmail.com>, <frederic@kernel.org>, <gary@garyguo.net>,
<jstultz@google.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
<lossin@kernel.org>, <lyude@redhat.com>,
<rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org>, <sboyd@kernel.org>,
<tglx@linutronix.de>, <tmgross@umich.edu>, <acourbot@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/2] rust: Add read_poll_timeout_atomic function
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2025 14:19:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <DCD7DP6A72A8.2HAYR7K7Z14UO@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D8CE958C-508F-4A09-96BA-985B5A7C2BA7@collabora.com>
On Wed Aug 27, 2025 at 2:14 PM CEST, Daniel Almeida wrote:
> Hi Danilo,
>
> […}
>
>>
>> Actually, let me put it in other words:
>>
>> let val = read_poll_timeout_atomic(
>> || {
>> // Fetch the offset to read from from the HW.
>> let offset = io.read32(0x1000);
>>
>> // HW needs a break for some odd reason.
>> udelay(100);
>>
>> // Read the actual value.
>> io.try_read32(offset)
>> },
>> |val: &u32| *val == HW_READY,
>> Delta::from_micros(0), // No delay, keep spinning.
>> Delta::from_millis(10), // Timeout after 10ms.
>> )?;
>>
>> Seems like a fairly reasonable usage without knowing the implementation details
>> of read_poll_timeout_atomic(), right?
>>
>> Except that if the hardware does not become ready, this will spin for 16.67
>> *minutes* -- in atomic context. Instead of the 10ms the user would expect.
>>
>> This would be way less error prone if we do not provide a timeout value, but a
>> retry count.
>>
>>> Instead, I think it makes much more sense to provide a retry count as function
>>> argument, such that the user can specify "I want a dealy of 100us, try it 100
>>> times".
>>>
>>> This way it is transparent to the caller that the timeout may be significantly
>>> more than 10ms depending on the user's implementation.
>>>
>>> As for doing this in C vs Rust: I don't think things have to align in every
>>> implementation detail. If we can improve things on the Rust side from the
>>> get-go, we should not stop ourselves from doing so, just because a similar C
>>> implementation is hard to refactor, due to having a lot of users already.
>
> I must say I do not follow. Can you expand yet some more on this?
Sure, but it would help if you could clarify which aspect you want me to expand
on. :)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-27 12:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-21 3:57 [PATCH v1 0/2] Add read_poll_timeout_atomic support FUJITA Tomonori
2025-08-21 3:57 ` [PATCH v1 1/2] rust: add udelay() function FUJITA Tomonori
2025-08-26 9:09 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-26 11:59 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-08-26 18:03 ` Miguel Ojeda
2025-08-27 7:12 ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-26 12:44 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-27 2:43 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-08-21 3:57 ` [PATCH v1 2/2] rust: Add read_poll_timeout_atomic function FUJITA Tomonori
2025-08-26 14:02 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-27 0:35 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-08-27 4:32 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-08-26 14:12 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-26 16:59 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-26 17:15 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-27 0:14 ` FUJITA Tomonori
2025-08-27 9:00 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-27 10:29 ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-08-27 12:14 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-27 12:19 ` Danilo Krummrich [this message]
2025-08-27 12:22 ` Daniel Almeida
2025-08-27 12:36 ` Danilo Krummrich
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