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From: "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/6] rust: hrtimer: document deadlock when starting a timer in its handler
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2026 14:31:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DKY292V0LWJN.1L3HG02NBW6K5@garyguo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260825-expires-v2-v1-5-90411c6217c7@kernel.org>

On Tue Aug 25, 2026 at 1:16 PM BST, Andreas Hindborg wrote:
> The state machine documentation states that for pointer types that
> implement `Clone`, the `start` operation may be issued while the timer
> is in the **running** state, and that it is then equivalent to the
> `restart` operation. That only holds when the operation is issued from
> outside the timer handler.
>
> The `start` operation returns a `HrTimerHandle`, and dropping the
> handle cancels the timer with `hrtimer_cancel()`, which blocks until a
> running handler has returned. When `start` is issued from within the
> handler, the handle is also dropped within the handler, so the cancel
> waits for the very handler that issues it, and the handler deadlocks.

That's not always true, you can start timer and store its handle elsewhere.

I think the proper wording is that "cancelling a timer from within the timer
handler will lead to deadlock".

Best,
Gary

>
> Note this in the state machine documentation.
>
> Signed-off-by: Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org>
> ---
>  rust/kernel/time/hrtimer.rs | 2 ++
>  1 file changed, 2 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/rust/kernel/time/hrtimer.rs b/rust/kernel/time/hrtimer.rs
> index bdb6aaa22839..2a9abc9f5d8c 100644
> --- a/rust/kernel/time/hrtimer.rs
> +++ b/rust/kernel/time/hrtimer.rs
> @@ -78,6 +78,8 @@
>  //! handler returns, and a restart requested by the return value of the handler is discarded in
>  //! favor of the `restart` operation.
>  //!
> +//! ⚠️ Issuing the `start` operation from within the timer handler will lead to deadlock.
> +//!
>  //! # Examples
>  //!
>  //! ## Using an intrusive timer living in a [`Box`]



  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-25 13:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-25 12:16 [PATCH 0/6] hrtimer: add an expiry injecting callback variant Andreas Hindborg
2026-08-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 1/6] hrtimer: add " Andreas Hindborg
2026-09-29 20:56   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-30 13:14     ` Gary Guo
2026-09-30 21:43       ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-09-30 23:29         ` Gary Guo
2026-08-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 2/6] drm/i915/pmu: use the expiry injecting hrtimer callback Andreas Hindborg
2026-08-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 3/6] rust: hrtimer: use the expiry injecting callback variant Andreas Hindborg
2026-08-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 4/6] rust: hrtimer: restrict expires() to exclusive access Andreas Hindborg
2026-08-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 5/6] rust: hrtimer: document deadlock when starting a timer in its handler Andreas Hindborg
2026-08-25 13:31   ` Gary Guo [this message]
2026-08-26  9:31     ` Andreas Hindborg
2026-08-25 12:16 ` [PATCH 6/6] rust: hrtimer: Make HrTimer repr(transparent) Andreas Hindborg
2026-08-25 13:33   ` Gary Guo
2026-08-26  9:30     ` Andreas Hindborg

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