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* [PATCH v2] nvmet-tcp: report a bounded MDTS instead of "no limit"
       [not found] <20260828222356.1264-1-gerencia@idkmanager.com>
@ 2026-08-29  1:39 ` Alfonso Kuen
  2026-08-30 21:00   ` Sagi Grimberg
  2026-08-31  0:51   ` [PATCH v3] " Alfonso Kuen
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Alfonso Kuen @ 2026-08-29  1:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: hch, sagi, kch; +Cc: linux-nvme, linux-kernel, Alfonso Kuen

nvmet-tcp does not implement .get_mdts, so nvmet_ctrl_mdts() falls back
to the port value (0 by default) and identify-controller advertises "no
maximum data transfer size". The initiator believes it:
nvme_init_ctrl_finish() sets max_hw_sectors to UINT_MAX.

What the initiator then issues is decided by the block layer. The
generic cap is 4 MiB (BLK_DEF_MAX_SECTORS_CAP), but a namespace that
advertises a large NOWS raises it: blk_validate_limits() takes
max_sectors from io_opt once io_opt exceeds that cap. On the array we
measured, NOWS is 65535, so io_opt is 32 MiB and the initiator emitted
32 MiB commands -- from a controller that advertised no MDTS at all.

The target cannot serve those, in one of two ways depending on the
kernel.

Since 4a3f00262a04 ("nvmet-tcp: bound SGL data length before allocating
command buffers"), nvmet_tcp_map_data() rejects any len above
NVMET_TCP_MAXH2CDATA (4 MiB) with NVME_SC_SGL_INVALID_DATA | DNR, so the
command fails hard and deterministically. That is the right response to
an oversized command, but the initiator had no way to avoid sending it:
nothing advertised the limit it was exceeding.

Before that commit the command reached sgl_alloc(), which for 32 MiB
needs 8192 scatterlist entries -- 256 KiB, an order-6 kmalloc. Under
fragmentation that fails, and it surfaces as NVME_SC_INTERNAL, a generic
status, so NVMe multipath does not fail the command over to another
path. A 1 MiB command needs 256 entries, 8 KiB, served from the
kmalloc-8k slab, which does not fail. That failure mode is intermittent
and load-dependent rather than deterministic; on a vendor kernel
predating the bound it cost us roughly 98 GiB of a 2 TiB image copy,
with the copy tool exiting 0.

nvmet-rdma has advertised a bounded MDTS since "nvmet-rdma: Implement
get_mdts controller op" (Max Gurtovoy, Mar 2020), which left the other
transports untouched. Do the same for TCP, using the same 1 MiB value,
so initiators size their commands to something the target accepts
instead of discovering the limit by failing.

Signed-off-by: Alfonso Kuen <gerencia@idkmanager.com>
---
Changes in v2:
 - Rewrite the rationale. v1 described the sgl_alloc() order-6 failure as
   current behaviour; since 4a3f00262a04 that path is unreachable and an
   oversized command is rejected earlier with SGL_INVALID_DATA | DNR. Both
   failure modes are now described, and which kernels see which.
 - v1 attributed the 32 MiB command size to a "generic 32 MiB ceiling" in
   the block layer. The generic cap is 4 MiB; the 32 MiB came from the
   target's own NOWS raising io_opt. Corrected -- and it sharpens the point,
   since the same controller advertises an optimal I/O size it cannot serve.
 - v1 called the 1 MiB SGL an order-0 allocation; it is 8 KiB.
 - No functional change: the diff is byte-identical to v1.
 drivers/nvme/target/tcp.c | 9 +++++++++
 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+)

diff --git a/drivers/nvme/target/tcp.c b/drivers/nvme/target/tcp.c
index e4f603b2a..414ba896e 100644
--- a/drivers/nvme/target/tcp.c
+++ b/drivers/nvme/target/tcp.c
@@ -23,6 +23,9 @@
 #include "nvmet.h"
 
 #define NVMET_TCP_DEF_INLINE_DATA_SIZE	(4 * PAGE_SIZE)
+
+/* Assume mpsmin == device_page_size == 4KB */
+#define NVMET_TCP_MAX_MDTS		8
 #define NVMET_TCP_MAXH2CDATA		0x400000 /* 16M arbitrary limit */
 #define NVMET_TCP_BACKLOG 128
 
@@ -2243,6 +2246,11 @@ static ssize_t nvmet_tcp_host_port_addr(struct nvmet_ctrl *ctrl,
 			(struct sockaddr *)&queue->sockaddr_peer);
 }
 
+static u8 nvmet_tcp_get_mdts(const struct nvmet_ctrl *ctrl)
+{
+	return NVMET_TCP_MAX_MDTS;
+}
+
 static const struct nvmet_fabrics_ops nvmet_tcp_ops = {
 	.owner			= THIS_MODULE,
 	.type			= NVMF_TRTYPE_TCP,
@@ -2254,6 +2262,7 @@ static const struct nvmet_fabrics_ops nvmet_tcp_ops = {
 	.install_queue		= nvmet_tcp_install_queue,
 	.disc_traddr		= nvmet_tcp_disc_port_addr,
 	.host_traddr		= nvmet_tcp_host_port_addr,
+	.get_mdts		= nvmet_tcp_get_mdts,
 };
 
 static int __init nvmet_tcp_init(void)
-- 
2.47.3


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* Re: [PATCH v2] nvmet-tcp: report a bounded MDTS instead of "no limit"
  2026-08-29  1:39 ` [PATCH v2] nvmet-tcp: report a bounded MDTS instead of "no limit" Alfonso Kuen
@ 2026-08-30 21:00   ` Sagi Grimberg
  2026-08-30 21:02     ` Sagi Grimberg
  2026-08-31  0:51   ` [PATCH v3] " Alfonso Kuen
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Sagi Grimberg @ 2026-08-30 21:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alfonso Kuen, hch, kch; +Cc: linux-nvme, linux-kernel



On 29/08/2026 4:39, Alfonso Kuen wrote:
> nvmet-tcp does not implement .get_mdts, so nvmet_ctrl_mdts() falls back
> to the port value (0 by default) and identify-controller advertises "no
> maximum data transfer size". The initiator believes it:
> nvme_init_ctrl_finish() sets max_hw_sectors to UINT_MAX.
>
> What the initiator then issues is decided by the block layer. The
> generic cap is 4 MiB (BLK_DEF_MAX_SECTORS_CAP), but a namespace that
> advertises a large NOWS raises it: blk_validate_limits() takes
> max_sectors from io_opt once io_opt exceeds that cap. On the array we
> measured, NOWS is 65535, so io_opt is 32 MiB and the initiator emitted
> 32 MiB commands -- from a controller that advertised no MDTS at all.
>
> The target cannot serve those, in one of two ways depending on the
> kernel.
>
> Since 4a3f00262a04 ("nvmet-tcp: bound SGL data length before allocating
> command buffers"), nvmet_tcp_map_data() rejects any len above
> NVMET_TCP_MAXH2CDATA (4 MiB) with NVME_SC_SGL_INVALID_DATA | DNR, so the
> command fails hard and deterministically. That is the right response to
> an oversized command, but the initiator had no way to avoid sending it:
> nothing advertised the limit it was exceeding.
>
> Before that commit the command reached sgl_alloc(), which for 32 MiB
> needs 8192 scatterlist entries -- 256 KiB, an order-6 kmalloc. Under
> fragmentation that fails, and it surfaces as NVME_SC_INTERNAL, a generic
> status, so NVMe multipath does not fail the command over to another
> path. A 1 MiB command needs 256 entries, 8 KiB, served from the
> kmalloc-8k slab, which does not fail. That failure mode is intermittent
> and load-dependent rather than deterministic; on a vendor kernel
> predating the bound it cost us roughly 98 GiB of a 2 TiB image copy,
> with the copy tool exiting 0.
>
> nvmet-rdma has advertised a bounded MDTS since "nvmet-rdma: Implement
> get_mdts controller op" (Max Gurtovoy, Mar 2020), which left the other
> transports untouched.

Nit - instead of this patch reference - you should simply say:

>   Do the same for TCP, using the same 1 MiB value,
> so initiators size their commands to something the target accepts
> instead of discovering the limit by failing.
>
> Signed-off-by: Alfonso Kuen <gerencia@idkmanager.com>
> ---
> Changes in v2:
>   - Rewrite the rationale. v1 described the sgl_alloc() order-6 failure as
>     current behaviour; since 4a3f00262a04 that path is unreachable and an
>     oversized command is rejected earlier with SGL_INVALID_DATA | DNR. Both
>     failure modes are now described, and which kernels see which.
>   - v1 attributed the 32 MiB command size to a "generic 32 MiB ceiling" in
>     the block layer. The generic cap is 4 MiB; the 32 MiB came from the
>     target's own NOWS raising io_opt. Corrected -- and it sharpens the point,
>     since the same controller advertises an optimal I/O size it cannot serve.
>   - v1 called the 1 MiB SGL an order-0 allocation; it is 8 KiB.
>   - No functional change: the diff is byte-identical to v1.
>   drivers/nvme/target/tcp.c | 9 +++++++++
>   1 file changed, 9 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/drivers/nvme/target/tcp.c b/drivers/nvme/target/tcp.c
> index e4f603b2a..414ba896e 100644
> --- a/drivers/nvme/target/tcp.c
> +++ b/drivers/nvme/target/tcp.c
> @@ -23,6 +23,9 @@
>   #include "nvmet.h"
>   
>   #define NVMET_TCP_DEF_INLINE_DATA_SIZE	(4 * PAGE_SIZE)
> +
> +/* Assume mpsmin == device_page_size == 4KB */
> +#define NVMET_TCP_MAX_MDTS		8
>   #define NVMET_TCP_MAXH2CDATA		0x400000 /* 16M arbitrary limit */
>   #define NVMET_TCP_BACKLOG 128
>   
> @@ -2243,6 +2246,11 @@ static ssize_t nvmet_tcp_host_port_addr(struct nvmet_ctrl *ctrl,
>   			(struct sockaddr *)&queue->sockaddr_peer);
>   }
>   
> +static u8 nvmet_tcp_get_mdts(const struct nvmet_ctrl *ctrl)
> +{
> +	return NVMET_TCP_MAX_MDTS;
> +}
> +
>   static const struct nvmet_fabrics_ops nvmet_tcp_ops = {
>   	.owner			= THIS_MODULE,
>   	.type			= NVMF_TRTYPE_TCP,
> @@ -2254,6 +2262,7 @@ static const struct nvmet_fabrics_ops nvmet_tcp_ops = {
>   	.install_queue		= nvmet_tcp_install_queue,
>   	.disc_traddr		= nvmet_tcp_disc_port_addr,
>   	.host_traddr		= nvmet_tcp_host_port_addr,
> +	.get_mdts		= nvmet_tcp_get_mdts,
>   };
>   
>   static int __init nvmet_tcp_init(void)


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* Re: [PATCH v2] nvmet-tcp: report a bounded MDTS instead of "no limit"
  2026-08-30 21:00   ` Sagi Grimberg
@ 2026-08-30 21:02     ` Sagi Grimberg
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Sagi Grimberg @ 2026-08-30 21:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alfonso Kuen, hch, kch; +Cc: linux-nvme, linux-kernel



On 31/08/2026 0:00, Sagi Grimberg wrote:
>
>
> On 29/08/2026 4:39, Alfonso Kuen wrote:
>> nvmet-tcp does not implement .get_mdts, so nvmet_ctrl_mdts() falls back
>> to the port value (0 by default) and identify-controller advertises "no
>> maximum data transfer size". The initiator believes it:
>> nvme_init_ctrl_finish() sets max_hw_sectors to UINT_MAX.
>>
>> What the initiator then issues is decided by the block layer. The
>> generic cap is 4 MiB (BLK_DEF_MAX_SECTORS_CAP), but a namespace that
>> advertises a large NOWS raises it: blk_validate_limits() takes
>> max_sectors from io_opt once io_opt exceeds that cap. On the array we
>> measured, NOWS is 65535, so io_opt is 32 MiB and the initiator emitted
>> 32 MiB commands -- from a controller that advertised no MDTS at all.
>>
>> The target cannot serve those, in one of two ways depending on the
>> kernel.
>>
>> Since 4a3f00262a04 ("nvmet-tcp: bound SGL data length before allocating
>> command buffers"), nvmet_tcp_map_data() rejects any len above
>> NVMET_TCP_MAXH2CDATA (4 MiB) with NVME_SC_SGL_INVALID_DATA | DNR, so the
>> command fails hard and deterministically. That is the right response to
>> an oversized command, but the initiator had no way to avoid sending it:
>> nothing advertised the limit it was exceeding.
>>
>> Before that commit the command reached sgl_alloc(), which for 32 MiB
>> needs 8192 scatterlist entries -- 256 KiB, an order-6 kmalloc. Under
>> fragmentation that fails, and it surfaces as NVME_SC_INTERNAL, a generic
>> status, so NVMe multipath does not fail the command over to another
>> path. A 1 MiB command needs 256 entries, 8 KiB, served from the
>> kmalloc-8k slab, which does not fail. That failure mode is intermittent
>> and load-dependent rather than deterministic; on a vendor kernel
>> predating the bound it cost us roughly 98 GiB of a 2 TiB image copy,
>> with the copy tool exiting 0.
>>
>> nvmet-rdma has advertised a bounded MDTS since "nvmet-rdma: Implement
>> get_mdts controller op" (Max Gurtovoy, Mar 2020), which left the other
>> transports untouched.
>
> Nit - instead of this patch reference - you should simply say:

Commit ec6d20e16c2d ("nvmet-rdma: Implement get_mdts controller op") left
the other transports untouched...

Other than that looks good
Reviewed-by: Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>

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* [PATCH v3] nvmet-tcp: report a bounded MDTS instead of "no limit"
  2026-08-29  1:39 ` [PATCH v2] nvmet-tcp: report a bounded MDTS instead of "no limit" Alfonso Kuen
  2026-08-30 21:00   ` Sagi Grimberg
@ 2026-08-31  0:51   ` Alfonso Kuen
  2026-09-01 14:06     ` Maurizio Lombardi
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Alfonso Kuen @ 2026-08-31  0:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: hch, sagi, kch; +Cc: linux-nvme, linux-kernel, Alfonso Kuen

nvmet-tcp does not implement .get_mdts, so nvmet_ctrl_mdts() falls back
to the port value (0 by default) and identify-controller advertises "no
maximum data transfer size". The initiator believes it:
nvme_init_ctrl_finish() sets max_hw_sectors to UINT_MAX.

What the initiator then issues is decided by the block layer. The
generic cap is 4 MiB (BLK_DEF_MAX_SECTORS_CAP), but a namespace that
advertises a large NOWS raises it: blk_validate_limits() takes
max_sectors from io_opt once io_opt exceeds that cap. On the array we
measured, NOWS is 65535, so io_opt is 32 MiB and the initiator emitted
32 MiB commands -- from a controller that advertised no MDTS at all.

The target cannot serve those, in one of two ways depending on the
kernel.

Since commit 4a3f00262a04 ("nvmet-tcp: bound SGL data length before
allocating command buffers"), nvmet_tcp_map_data() rejects any len above
NVMET_TCP_MAXH2CDATA (4 MiB) with NVME_SC_SGL_INVALID_DATA | DNR, so the
command fails hard and deterministically. That is the right response to
an oversized command, but the initiator had no way to avoid sending it:
nothing advertised the limit it was exceeding.

Before that commit the command reached sgl_alloc(), which for 32 MiB
needs 8192 scatterlist entries -- 256 KiB, an order-6 kmalloc. Under
fragmentation that fails, and it surfaces as NVME_SC_INTERNAL, a generic
status, so NVMe multipath does not fail the command over to another
path. A 1 MiB command needs 256 entries, 8 KiB, served from the
kmalloc-8k slab, which does not fail. That failure mode is intermittent
and load-dependent rather than deterministic; on a vendor kernel
predating the bound it cost us roughly 98 GiB of a 2 TiB image copy,
with the copy tool exiting 0.

Commit ec6d20e16c2d ("nvmet-rdma: Implement get_mdts controller op")
left the other transports untouched. Do the same for TCP, using the
same 1 MiB value, so initiators size their commands to something the
target accepts instead of discovering the limit by failing.

Signed-off-by: Alfonso Kuen <gerencia@idkmanager.com>
Reviewed-by: Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>
---
Changes in v3:
- Cite the RDMA change as commit ec6d20e16c2d ("nvmet-rdma: Implement
  get_mdts controller op") rather than by patch title, per Sagi's review.
- Pick up Sagi's Reviewed-by.
- No functional change: the diff is byte-identical to v1 and v2.

Changes in v2:
- Rewrite the rationale. v1 described the sgl_alloc() order-6 failure as
  current behaviour; since 4a3f00262a04 that path is unreachable and an
  oversized command is rejected earlier with SGL_INVALID_DATA | DNR. Both
  failure modes are now described, and which kernels see which.
- v1 attributed the 32 MiB command size to a "generic 32 MiB ceiling" in
  the block layer. The generic cap is 4 MiB; the 32 MiB came from the
  target's own NOWS raising io_opt. Corrected -- and it sharpens the
  point, since the same controller advertises an optimal I/O size it
  cannot serve.
- v1 called the 1 MiB SGL an order-0 allocation; it is 8 KiB.
- No functional change: the diff is byte-identical to v1.

 drivers/nvme/target/tcp.c | 9 +++++++++
 1 file changed, 9 insertions(+)

diff --git a/drivers/nvme/target/tcp.c b/drivers/nvme/target/tcp.c
index e4f603b2a..414ba896e 100644
--- a/drivers/nvme/target/tcp.c
+++ b/drivers/nvme/target/tcp.c
@@ -23,6 +23,9 @@
 #include "nvmet.h"
 
 #define NVMET_TCP_DEF_INLINE_DATA_SIZE	(4 * PAGE_SIZE)
+
+/* Assume mpsmin == device_page_size == 4KB */
+#define NVMET_TCP_MAX_MDTS		8
 #define NVMET_TCP_MAXH2CDATA		0x400000 /* 16M arbitrary limit */
 #define NVMET_TCP_BACKLOG 128
 
@@ -2243,6 +2246,11 @@ static ssize_t nvmet_tcp_host_port_addr(struct nvmet_ctrl *ctrl,
 			(struct sockaddr *)&queue->sockaddr_peer);
 }
 
+static u8 nvmet_tcp_get_mdts(const struct nvmet_ctrl *ctrl)
+{
+	return NVMET_TCP_MAX_MDTS;
+}
+
 static const struct nvmet_fabrics_ops nvmet_tcp_ops = {
 	.owner			= THIS_MODULE,
 	.type			= NVMF_TRTYPE_TCP,
@@ -2254,6 +2262,7 @@ static const struct nvmet_fabrics_ops nvmet_tcp_ops = {
 	.install_queue		= nvmet_tcp_install_queue,
 	.disc_traddr		= nvmet_tcp_disc_port_addr,
 	.host_traddr		= nvmet_tcp_host_port_addr,
+	.get_mdts		= nvmet_tcp_get_mdts,
 };
 
 static int __init nvmet_tcp_init(void)
-- 
2.47.3


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* Re: [PATCH v3] nvmet-tcp: report a bounded MDTS instead of "no limit"
  2026-08-31  0:51   ` [PATCH v3] " Alfonso Kuen
@ 2026-09-01 14:06     ` Maurizio Lombardi
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Maurizio Lombardi @ 2026-09-01 14:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Alfonso Kuen, hch, sagi, kch; +Cc: linux-nvme, linux-kernel

On Mon Aug 31, 2026 at 2:51 AM CEST, Alfonso Kuen wrote:
> nvmet-tcp does not implement .get_mdts, so nvmet_ctrl_mdts() falls back
> to the port value (0 by default) and identify-controller advertises "no
> maximum data transfer size". The initiator believes it:
> nvme_init_ctrl_finish() sets max_hw_sectors to UINT_MAX.
>
> What the initiator then issues is decided by the block layer. The
> generic cap is 4 MiB (BLK_DEF_MAX_SECTORS_CAP), but a namespace that
> advertises a large NOWS raises it: blk_validate_limits() takes
> max_sectors from io_opt once io_opt exceeds that cap. On the array we
> measured, NOWS is 65535, so io_opt is 32 MiB and the initiator emitted
> 32 MiB commands -- from a controller that advertised no MDTS at all.
>
> The target cannot serve those, in one of two ways depending on the
> kernel.
>
> Since commit 4a3f00262a04 ("nvmet-tcp: bound SGL data length before
> allocating command buffers"), nvmet_tcp_map_data() rejects any len above
> NVMET_TCP_MAXH2CDATA (4 MiB) with NVME_SC_SGL_INVALID_DATA | DNR, so the
> command fails hard and deterministically. That is the right response to
> an oversized command, but the initiator had no way to avoid sending it:
> nothing advertised the limit it was exceeding.

#define NVMET_TCP_MAXH2CDATA  0x400000 /* 16M arbitrary limit */

So the comment should be fixed, it says NVMET_TCP_MAXH2CDATA is 16M.

Also, it's not entirely clear to me how the target enforces this. Suppose an
host sends a 2 MiB command, violating the MDTS setting, what happens?

Maurizio


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