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From: "Zi Yan" <ziy@nvidia.com>
To: "Johannes Weiner" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	"Nimrod Oren" <noren@nvidia.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"David Hildenbrand" <david@kernel.org>,
	"Lorenzo Stoakes" <ljs@kernel.org>
Cc: "Baolin Wang" <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
	"Nico Pache" <nico.pache@linux.dev>,
	"Ryan Roberts" <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
	"Dev Jain" <dev.jain@arm.com>, "Barry Song" <baohua@kernel.org>,
	"Lance Yang" <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
	"Usama Arif" <usama.arif@linux.dev>,
	"Kiryl Shutsemau" <kas@kernel.org>,
	"Mike Rapoport" <rppt@kernel.org>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@suse.com>,
	"Brendan Jackman" <brendan.jackman@linux.dev>,
	"Johannes Weiner" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"Hugh Dickins" <hughd@google.com>,
	"Nirmoy Das" <nirmoyd@nvidia.com>,
	"Dragos Tatulea" <dtatulea@nvidia.com>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] mm: remove min_free_kbytes adjustment for THP
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2026 08:24:38 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DL9XL8T6UG93.1T1NSJMI8PISK@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d202dcc3-d7d7-4e98-a9a5-3137cfbfd041@kernel.org>

On Tue Sep 8, 2026 at 7:54 AM EDT, Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) wrote:
> On 9/1/26 21:01, Nimrod Oren wrote:
>> When THP is enabled, set_recommended_min_free_kbytes() may raise
>> min_free_kbytes using a heuristic that scales with pageblock_nr_pages.
>> Commit f000565adb77 ("thp: set recommended min free kbytes") added this
>> heuristic to help keep pageblocks free and reduce fragmentation for THP
>> allocations.
>> 
>> The recommendation scales poorly with larger base page sizes. With the
>> default arm64 pageblock sizes, the contribution per eligible zone
>> before applying the existing cap of 5% of low memory is:
>> 
>>   4 KiB pages:   2 MiB pageblock,   22 MiB per zone
>>  16 KiB pages:  32 MiB pageblock,  352 MiB per zone
>>  64 KiB pages: 512 MiB pageblock,  5.5 GiB per zone
>> 
>> Even with that cap, min_free_kbytes can reach excessive levels.
>> 
>> The automatic min_free_kbytes increase predates proactive compaction
>> and many subsequent changes to compaction. Given those changes,
>> increasing min_free_kbytes for THP by default is no longer clearly
>> justified.
>> 
>> Remove set_recommended_min_free_kbytes() and all associated
>> recalculation paths. With this policy gone, min_free_kbytes is
>> controlled only by the page allocator's default calculation and the
>> vm.min_free_kbytes sysctl. Users who want additional headroom may set a
>> higher value via that sysctl.
>> 
>> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20260831075635.2244437-1-noren@nvidia.com/
>> Suggested-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
>> Signed-off-by: Nimrod Oren <noren@nvidia.com>
>> ---
>> v3:
>> * Replace the 1 GiB cap with removal of the THP-driven min_free_kbytes
>>   increase as suggested by Michal.
>> * Remove all associated recalculation paths.
>> * Make min_free_kbytes, user_min_free_kbytes,
>>   calculate_min_free_kbytes(), and setup_per_zone_wmarks() static.
>> * Drop the now-unused declarations and khugepaged's page_alloc.h include.
>> * Drop the obsolete v2 documentation addition.
>> 
>> v2:
>> * Use a named constant for the cap.
>> * Drop explicit linux/sizes.h include.
>> * Update min_free_kbytes documentation.
>> https://lore.kernel.org/r/20260831075635.2244437-1-noren@nvidia.com/
>> 
>> v1:
>> * Cap the final recommendation at 1 GiB as suggested by Lorenzo.
>> https://lore.kernel.org/r/20260728202014.2517142-1-noren@nvidia.com/
>> 
>> RFC v1:
>> https://lore.kernel.org/r/20260716173504.760369-1-noren@nvidia.com/
>> ---
>>  include/linux/khugepaged.h |  5 ----
>>  mm/huge_memory.c           | 14 ---------
>>  mm/internal.h              |  8 -----
>>  mm/khugepaged.c            | 60 --------------------------------------
>>  mm/page_alloc.c            | 11 +++----
>>  mm/page_alloc.h            |  2 --
>>  mm/shmem.c                 |  7 -----
>>  7 files changed, 4 insertions(+), 103 deletions(-)
>
> Given neither of the patchset versions achieved universal acceptance, could
> we try just disabling all the automatic (re)calculations of min_free_kbytes
> the first moment the sysctl gets adjusted from userspace?

Sounds good to me. Johannes, WDYT?

-- 
Best Regards,
Yan, Zi


  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-08 12:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-01 19:01 Nimrod Oren
2026-09-01 19:12 ` Michal Hocko
2026-09-01 20:01 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-01 20:44 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-01 21:09   ` Zi Yan
2026-09-01 22:09     ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-02  1:49       ` Zi Yan
2026-09-02 13:02         ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-02 16:04         ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-02 16:47           ` Usama Arif
2026-09-02 17:02             ` Zi Yan
2026-09-02 17:24               ` Usama Arif
2026-09-02 17:13           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-03 18:58           ` Zi Yan
2026-09-04 15:20             ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-08 10:40           ` Barry Song
2026-09-02 12:07 ` Nirmoy Das
2026-09-02 13:46 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-02 16:23 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-02 17:00   ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-02 18:37     ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-03 15:46       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-04 15:43         ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-04 16:46           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-03 12:52   ` Michal Hocko
2026-09-02 16:41 ` Usama Arif
2026-09-08 11:54 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-09-08 12:24   ` Zi Yan [this message]
2026-09-08 19:30     ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-09  8:11       ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-09 10:38         ` David Laight
2026-09-09 11:18           ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-09 12:27             ` David Laight

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