From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Nimrod Oren <noren@nvidia.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
Nico Pache <nico.pache@linux.dev>,
Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>, Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>,
Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Brendan Jackman <brendan.jackman@linux.dev>,
Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Nirmoy Das <nirmoyd@nvidia.com>,
Dragos Tatulea <dtatulea@nvidia.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3] mm: remove min_free_kbytes adjustment for THP
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2026 14:52:49 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <apltoauHn-l--8nI@tiehlicka> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260902162323.GO3004@cmpxchg.org>
On Wed 02-09-26 12:23:23, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2026 at 10:01:23PM +0300, Nimrod Oren wrote:
> > When THP is enabled, set_recommended_min_free_kbytes() may raise
> > min_free_kbytes using a heuristic that scales with pageblock_nr_pages.
> > Commit f000565adb77 ("thp: set recommended min free kbytes") added this
> > heuristic to help keep pageblocks free and reduce fragmentation for THP
> > allocations.
> >
> > The recommendation scales poorly with larger base page sizes. With the
> > default arm64 pageblock sizes, the contribution per eligible zone
> > before applying the existing cap of 5% of low memory is:
> >
> > 4 KiB pages: 2 MiB pageblock, 22 MiB per zone
> > 16 KiB pages: 32 MiB pageblock, 352 MiB per zone
> > 64 KiB pages: 512 MiB pageblock, 5.5 GiB per zone
> >
> > Even with that cap, min_free_kbytes can reach excessive levels.
> >
> > The automatic min_free_kbytes increase predates proactive compaction
> > and many subsequent changes to compaction. Given those changes,
> > increasing min_free_kbytes for THP by default is no longer clearly
> > justified.
> >
> > Remove set_recommended_min_free_kbytes() and all associated
> > recalculation paths. With this policy gone, min_free_kbytes is
> > controlled only by the page allocator's default calculation and the
> > vm.min_free_kbytes sysctl. Users who want additional headroom may set a
> > higher value via that sysctl.
> >
> > Link: https://lore.kernel.org/r/20260831075635.2244437-1-noren@nvidia.com/
> > Suggested-by: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
> > Signed-off-by: Nimrod Oren <noren@nvidia.com>
>
> Just to summarize my take from the subthread with Zi: the premise of
> this patch is to roll the regression dice on every THP setup out there
> because certain ARM configurations result in a questionable pageblock size.
>
> I'm not against carefully evaluating and testing out today's need for
> set_recommended_min_free_kbytes() in real world examples. But this is
> not that.
I do hear your concerns Johannes. They are valid but I am not really
sure wht kind of testing would prove such a change to be safe.
> Nacked-by: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
--
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-03 12:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-01 19:01 Nimrod Oren
2026-09-01 19:12 ` Michal Hocko
2026-09-01 20:01 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-01 20:44 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-01 21:09 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-01 22:09 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-02 1:49 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-02 13:02 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-02 16:04 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-02 16:47 ` Usama Arif
2026-09-02 17:02 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-02 17:24 ` Usama Arif
2026-09-02 17:13 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-03 18:58 ` Zi Yan
2026-09-04 15:20 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-02 12:07 ` Nirmoy Das
2026-09-02 13:46 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-02 16:23 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-02 17:00 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-02 18:37 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-03 15:46 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-04 15:43 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-04 16:46 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-09-03 12:52 ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2026-09-02 16:41 ` Usama Arif
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