From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
To: Hans Reiser <reiser@namesys.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
Cc: Josh MacDonald <jmacd@CS.Berkeley.EDU>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, reiserfs-list@namesys.com,
reiserfs-dev@namesys.com
Subject: Re: [reiserfs-dev] Re: Note describing poor dcache utilization under high memory pressure
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 00:52:33 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E16VLZh-0000Dp-00@starship.berlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0201280930130.1557-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> <3C55A58F.1070908@namesys.com>
In-Reply-To: <3C55A58F.1070908@namesys.com>
On January 28, 2002 08:25 pm, Hans Reiser wrote:
> If I understand you right, your scheme has the fundamental flaw that one
> dcache entry on a page can keep an entire page full of "slackers" in
> memory, and since there is little correlation in usage between dcache
> entries that happen to get stored on a page, the result is that the
> effectiveness per megabyte of the dcache is decreased by an order of
> magnitude. It would be worse to have one dcache entry per page, but
> maybe not by as much as you might expect.
>
> When objects smaller than a page are stored on a page but not correlated
> in their usage, they need to be aged individually not as a page, and
> then garbage collected as needed.
I had the identical thought - i.e., that this is a job for object aging and
not lru, then I realized that a slight modification to lru can do the job,
that is:
- An access to any object on the page promotes the page to the hot end
of the lru list.
- When it's time to recover a page (or pages) scan from the cold end
towards the hot end, and recover the first page(s) on which all
objects are free.
> Neither the current model nor your
> proposed scheme solve the fundamental problem Josh's measurements prove
> exists.
My suggestion might.
--
Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-01-28 23:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-01-28 17:13 Josh MacDonald
2002-01-28 17:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-28 18:01 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-28 18:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-28 18:37 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-28 19:28 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-28 20:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 21:33 ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-28 21:43 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-28 22:00 ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-28 22:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 23:06 ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-28 23:51 ` [OT] " jepler
2002-01-29 2:30 ` IPmonger
2002-01-29 12:02 ` Karl & Betty Schendel
2002-01-28 22:26 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 22:34 ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-28 23:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 22:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 23:12 ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-28 23:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 22:01 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-28 22:19 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 1:29 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 1:37 ` [reiserfs-list] " Valdis.Kletnieks
2002-01-29 1:45 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 8:39 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-29 8:55 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 9:20 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-29 9:55 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 10:18 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-29 19:55 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-29 20:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 20:39 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-29 20:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 21:01 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-29 9:20 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-29 10:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 11:54 ` Helge Hafting
2002-01-29 12:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 9:07 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-30 10:55 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 14:46 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 14:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 15:54 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 16:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 10:59 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-29 11:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 11:38 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-29 12:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 16:57 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 17:25 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-29 20:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 21:00 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 21:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 21:13 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 21:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 22:02 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 22:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 22:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 22:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 23:02 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 23:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 19:25 ` [reiserfs-dev] " Hans Reiser
2002-01-28 23:52 ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2002-01-29 0:16 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-29 0:30 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-29 10:46 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-29 14:50 ` Chris Mason
2002-01-29 21:10 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30 7:11 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-30 9:57 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-29 17:28 ` Josh MacDonald
2002-01-29 18:44 ` [reiserfs-list] " Andreas Dilger
2002-01-29 19:55 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-30 7:17 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-30 7:32 ` [reiserfs-list] Re: [reiserfs-dev] Re: Note describing poordcache " Andrew Morton
2002-01-30 7:52 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-30 10:03 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30 10:07 ` [reiserfs-dev] Re: Note describing poor dcache " Horst von Brand
2002-01-29 18:29 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-29 0:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 1:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 22:46 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-29 17:27 ` Josh MacDonald
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