From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
To: Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>
Cc: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>,
Josh MacDonald <jmacd@CS.Berkeley.EDU>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
<reiserfs-list@namesys.com>, <reiserfs-dev@namesys.com>
Subject: Re: Note describing poor dcache utilization under high memory pressure
Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:53:21 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E16Vh7y-0000Ac-00@starship.berlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0201291446460.25443-100000@waste.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0201291446460.25443-100000@waste.org>
On January 29, 2002 10:00 pm, Oliver Xymoron wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Daniel Phillips wrote:
>
> > On January 29, 2002 06:25 pm, Rik van Riel wrote:
> > > On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Oliver Xymoron wrote:
> > >
> > > > Daniel's approach seems to be workable (once he's spelled out all the
> > > > details) but it misses the big performance win for fork/exec, which is
> > > > surely the common case. Given that exec will be throwing away all these
> > > > mappings, we can safely assume that we will not be inheriting many shared
> > > > mappings from parents of parents so Daniel's approach also still ends up
> > > > marking most of the pages RO still.
> > >
> > > It gets worse. His approach also needs to adjust the reference
> > > counts on all pages (and swap pages).
> >
> > Well, Rik, time to present your algorithm. I assume it won't reference
> > counts on pages, and will do some kind of traversal of the mm tree. Note
> > however, that I did investigate the class of algorithm you are interested in,
> > and found only nasty, complex solutions there, with challenging locking
> > problems. (I also looked at a number of possible improvements to virtual
> > scanning, as you know, and likewise only found ugly or inadequate solutions.)
>
> I think it goes something like this:
>
> fork:
> detach page tables from parent
> retain pointer to "backing page tables" in parent and child
> update use count in page tables
> "prefault" tables for current stack and instruction pages in both parent
> and child
>
> page fault:
> if faulted on page table:
> look up backing page tables
> if use count > 1: copy, dec use count
> else: take ownership
>
> > Before you sink a lot of time into it though, you might add up the actual
> > overhead you're worried about above, and see if it moves the needle in a real
> > system.
>
> I'm pretty sure something like the above does signficantly less work in
> the fork/exec case, which is the important one.
With fork/exec, for each page table there are two cases:
- The parent instantiated the page table. In this case the extra work to
set the ptes RO (only for CoW pages) is insignificant.
- The parent is still sharing the page table with its parent and so the
ptes are still set RO.
I don't see how there is a whole lot of fat to cut here.
--
Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-01-29 22:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-01-28 17:13 Josh MacDonald
2002-01-28 17:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-28 18:01 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-28 18:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-28 18:37 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-28 19:28 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-28 20:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 21:33 ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-28 21:43 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-28 22:00 ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-28 22:43 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 23:06 ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-28 23:51 ` [OT] " jepler
2002-01-29 2:30 ` IPmonger
2002-01-29 12:02 ` Karl & Betty Schendel
2002-01-28 22:26 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 22:34 ` Brian Gerst
2002-01-28 23:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 22:39 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 23:12 ` Rick Stevens
2002-01-28 23:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 22:01 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-28 22:19 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 1:29 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 1:37 ` [reiserfs-list] " Valdis.Kletnieks
2002-01-29 1:45 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 8:39 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-29 8:55 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 9:20 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-29 9:55 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 10:18 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-29 19:55 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-29 20:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 20:39 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-29 20:49 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 21:01 ` William Lee Irwin III
2002-01-29 9:20 ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-29 10:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 11:54 ` Helge Hafting
2002-01-29 12:33 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 9:07 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-30 10:55 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 14:46 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 14:59 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-30 15:54 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-30 16:34 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 10:59 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-29 11:28 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 11:38 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-29 12:01 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 16:57 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 17:25 ` Rik van Riel
2002-01-29 20:48 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 21:00 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 21:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 21:13 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 21:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 22:02 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 22:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-01-29 22:53 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 22:53 ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2002-01-29 23:02 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-29 23:21 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 19:25 ` [reiserfs-dev] " Hans Reiser
2002-01-28 23:52 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 0:16 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-29 0:30 ` Alexander Viro
2002-01-29 10:46 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-29 14:50 ` Chris Mason
2002-01-29 21:10 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30 7:11 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-30 9:57 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-29 17:28 ` Josh MacDonald
2002-01-29 18:44 ` [reiserfs-list] " Andreas Dilger
2002-01-29 19:55 ` Andrew Morton
2002-01-30 7:17 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-30 7:32 ` [reiserfs-list] Re: [reiserfs-dev] Re: Note describing poordcache " Andrew Morton
2002-01-30 7:52 ` Oliver Xymoron
2002-01-30 10:03 ` Hans Reiser
2002-01-30 10:07 ` [reiserfs-dev] Re: Note describing poor dcache " Horst von Brand
2002-01-29 18:29 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-29 0:51 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-29 1:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-01-28 22:46 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-01-29 17:27 ` Josh MacDonald
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