From: Daniel Phillips <phillips@bonn-fries.net>
To: Mike Touloumtzis <miket@bluemug.com>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Alex Bligh - linux-kernel <linux-kernel@alex.org.uk>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: How to check the kernel compile options ?
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 22:33:41 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E16YwAn-000169-00@starship.berlin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a3mjhc$qba$1@cesium.transmeta.com> <E16YvYs-00015d-00@starship.berlin> <20020207210823.GH26826@bluemug.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020207210823.GH26826@bluemug.com>
On February 7, 2002 10:08 pm, Mike Touloumtzis wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 09:54:30PM +0100, Daniel Phillips wrote:
> > On February 7, 2002 09:34 pm, Mike Touloumtzis wrote:
> > > Some possible available avenues of argument for you are:
> >
> > I think you're just arguing for the sake of argument, which basically sums
> > up all the arguments we've seen against this.
>
> Not at all. I really believe that embedded unnecessary information in
> the kernel is a bad idea. I don't want my kernels to get any bigger
> than they are now unless useful features are being added (I have no
> problem with that). I develop for embedded devices, so I'm particularly
> sensitive to this issue.
I've heard that one before, from people who should know better. That's what
config options are for, or it's certainly a major reason for having config
options. Heck, I'd be satisfied if it was off by default. I'd *always* turn
it on, personally.
> My understanding is that "keep features out of the kernel if possible"
> is the majority opinion, not a crackpot weirdo stance.
Right, but would you buy a car without upholstery on the seats? Wait, maybe
you would.
> > Let me put it in simple terms: you've got an alarm clock, haven't you?
> > When you set the alarm, you don't need to have any little light on the
> > front that tells you the alarm is set, do you? Because, after all you're
> > not stupid, you know you set it. And you can always get out of bed and
> > look at the position of the switch, right?
>
> I don't think this is a close enough analogy to illustrate anything.
Right, it's tough to explain usability to someone who has no clue what that
is.
OK, I'm out, I've made my point, you are welcome to attempt to demolish it
without fear of retaliation.
--
Daniel
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-02-07 21:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-02-04 16:01 David Balazic
2002-02-04 16:54 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-04 17:02 ` David Balazic
2002-02-04 17:23 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-04 17:12 ` David Balazic
2002-02-04 17:16 ` Allan Sandfeld
2002-02-04 18:05 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-04 18:14 ` Arjan van de Ven
2002-02-04 18:24 ` Ben Greear
2002-02-04 18:24 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-04 22:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-04 23:46 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-04 23:34 ` J.A. Magallon
2002-02-04 18:09 ` Samuli Suonpaa
2002-02-04 17:34 ` Thomas Capricelli
2002-02-04 17:50 ` David Relson
2002-02-04 18:22 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-05 22:02 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-02-05 22:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-06 9:15 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07 4:13 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-02-07 9:32 ` Marco Colombo
2002-02-07 13:18 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07 18:26 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-02-07 19:19 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07 20:34 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-02-07 20:54 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07 21:08 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-02-07 21:33 ` Daniel Phillips [this message]
2002-02-07 23:58 ` John Alvord
2002-02-09 21:59 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-02-07 21:08 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07 21:41 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-02-07 22:09 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-07 22:13 ` Mike Touloumtzis
2002-02-07 22:27 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-08 20:53 ` Horst von Brand
2002-02-09 12:22 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-11 16:07 ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-09 21:39 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-02-06 16:37 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-04 18:34 ` David Relson
2002-02-04 21:09 ` Keith Owens
2002-02-05 16:30 ` Thomas Capricelli
2002-02-04 22:12 ` H. Peter Anvin
[not found] <0C01A29FBAE24448A792F5C68F5EA47D217218@nasdaq.ms.ensim.com>
2002-02-12 21:26 ` Paul Menage
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-02-06 4:55 Rick A. Hohensee
2002-02-05 23:56 Andries.Brouwer
2002-02-06 0:14 ` Ian S. Nelson
2002-02-06 0:19 ` H. Peter Anvin
2002-02-06 0:20 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-06 10:36 ` Christoph Rohland
2002-02-06 14:16 ` Alan Cox
2002-02-06 15:31 ` Christoph Rohland
2002-02-06 22:13 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-02-06 15:59 ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-06 16:32 ` Padraig Brady
2002-02-09 18:15 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-11 0:29 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-11 19:05 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-11 21:17 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2002-02-12 0:32 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-12 16:38 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-12 17:23 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-12 17:26 ` Padraig Brady
2002-02-12 18:32 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-12 21:06 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-12 22:10 ` Ville Herva
2002-02-12 22:33 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-13 0:49 ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-13 2:35 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-12 18:26 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-13 14:19 ` Horst von Brand
2002-02-13 15:58 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-13 23:00 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-13 16:25 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-02-13 18:09 ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-13 18:26 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-13 18:27 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-02-13 18:35 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-13 18:40 ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-13 21:51 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-13 22:02 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-02-13 23:08 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-13 23:21 ` Ben Greear
2002-02-13 23:39 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-13 22:17 ` Ben Greear
2002-02-13 23:13 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-14 16:48 ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-15 22:51 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-15 23:04 ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-16 1:10 ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-19 11:14 ` Andreas Dilger
2002-02-16 0:58 ` Andreas Ferber
2002-02-22 19:56 ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-23 7:02 ` Andreas Ferber
2002-02-26 6:30 ` Andreas Ferber
2002-03-01 21:01 ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-14 1:02 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-02-17 12:11 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-12 17:35 ` Chris Friesen
2002-02-11 18:37 ` Randy.Dunlap
2002-02-11 19:26 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-02-06 16:26 ` Ville Herva
2002-02-06 17:26 ` Thomas Capricelli
2002-02-06 18:16 ` David Relson
2002-02-07 7:56 ` Ville Herva
2002-02-07 9:12 ` Thomas Capricelli
2002-02-07 12:22 ` Ville Herva
2002-02-07 21:11 ` Horst von Brand
2002-02-08 8:25 ` Ville Herva
2002-02-07 8:52 ` Horst von Brand
2002-02-06 11:29 ` Marco Colombo
2002-02-06 13:26 ` Horst von Brand
[not found] <fa.c5n369v.1a10827@ifi.uio.no>
2002-02-04 16:21 ` Giacomo Catenazzi
2002-02-04 16:01 David Balazic
2002-02-04 21:47 ` Matti Aarnio
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