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From: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: Bharata B Rao <bharata@amd.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com, dave.hansen@intel.com,
	gourry@gourry.net, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	mgorman@techsingularity.net, mingo@redhat.com,
	peterz@infradead.org, raghavendra.kt@amd.com, riel@surriel.com,
	rientjes@google.com, sj@kernel.org, weixugc@google.com,
	willy@infradead.org, ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com,
	dave@stgolabs.net, nifan.cxl@gmail.com, joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com,
	xuezhengchu@huawei.com, yiannis@zptcorp.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v0 2/2] mm: sched: Batch-migrate misplaced pages
Date: Thu, 22 May 2025 13:30:06 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <FF2F9A08-9BD8-4207-901D-AC9B21443BF6@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <382839fc-ea63-421a-8397-72cb35dd8052@redhat.com>

On 22 May 2025, at 13:21, David Hildenbrand wrote:

> On 22.05.25 18:38, Zi Yan wrote:
>> On 22 May 2025, at 12:26, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>
>>> On 22.05.25 18:24, Zi Yan wrote:
>>>> On 22 May 2025, at 12:11, David Hildenbrand wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 21.05.25 10:02, Bharata B Rao wrote:
>>>>>> Currently the folios identified as misplaced by the NUMA
>>>>>> balancing sub-system are migrated one by one from the NUMA
>>>>>> hint fault handler as and when they are identified as
>>>>>> misplaced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instead of such singe folio migrations, batch them and
>>>>>> migrate them at once.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Identified misplaced folios are isolated and stored in
>>>>>> a per-task list. A new task_work is queued from task tick
>>>>>> handler to migrate them in batches. Migration is done
>>>>>> periodically or if pending number of isolated foios exceeds
>>>>>> a threshold.
>>>>>
>>>>> That means that these pages are effectively unmovable for other purposes (CMA, compaction, long-term pinning, whatever) until that list was drained.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bad.
>>>>
>>>> Probably we can mark these pages and when others want to migrate the page,
>>>> get_new_page() just looks at the page's target node and get a new page from
>>>> the target node.
>>>
>>> How do you envision that working when CMA needs to migrate this exact page to a different location?
>>>
>>> It cannot isolate it for migration because ... it's already isolated ... so it will give up.
>>>
>>> Marking might not be easy I assume ...
>>
>> I guess you mean we do not have any extra bit to indicate this page is isolated,
>> but it can be migrated. My point is that if this page is going to be migrated
>> due to other reasons, like CMA, compaction, why not migrate it to the target
>> node instead of moving it around within the same node.
>
> I think we'd have to identify that
>
> a) This page is isolate for migration (could be isolated for other
>    reasons)
>
> b) The one responsible for the isolation is numa code (could be someone
>    else)
>
> c) We're allowed to grab that page from that list (IOW sync against
>    others, and especially also against), to essentially "steal" the
>    isolated page.

Right. c) sounds like adding more contention to the candidate list.
I wonder if we can just mark the page as migration candidate (using
a page flag or something else), then migrate it whenever CMA,
compaction, long-term pinning and more look at the page. In addition,
periodically, the migration task would do a PFN scanning and migrate
any migration candidate. I remember Willy did some experiments showing
that PFN scanning is very fast.

--
Best Regards,
Yan, Zi

  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-22 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-21  8:02 [RFC PATCH v0 0/2] Batch migration for NUMA balancing Bharata B Rao
2025-05-21  8:02 ` [RFC PATCH v0 1/2] migrate: implement migrate_misplaced_folio_batch Bharata B Rao
2025-05-22 15:59   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-22 16:03     ` Gregory Price
2025-05-22 16:08       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-26  8:16   ` Huang, Ying
2025-05-21  8:02 ` [RFC PATCH v0 2/2] mm: sched: Batch-migrate misplaced pages Bharata B Rao
2025-05-21 18:25   ` Donet Tom
2025-05-21 18:40     ` Zi Yan
2025-05-22  3:24       ` Gregory Price
2025-05-22  5:23         ` Bharata B Rao
2025-05-22  4:42       ` Bharata B Rao
2025-05-22  4:39     ` Bharata B Rao
2025-05-23  9:05       ` Donet Tom
2025-05-22  3:55   ` Gregory Price
2025-05-22  7:33     ` Bharata B Rao
2025-05-22 15:38       ` Gregory Price
2025-05-22 16:11   ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-22 16:24     ` Zi Yan
2025-05-22 16:26       ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-22 16:38         ` Zi Yan
2025-05-22 17:21           ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-22 17:30             ` Zi Yan [this message]
2025-05-26  8:33               ` Huang, Ying
2025-05-26  9:29               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-05-26 14:20                 ` Zi Yan
2025-05-27  1:18                   ` Huang, Ying
2025-05-27  1:27                     ` Zi Yan
2025-05-28 12:25                   ` Karim Manaouil
2025-05-26  5:14     ` Bharata B Rao
2025-05-21 18:45 ` [RFC PATCH v0 0/2] Batch migration for NUMA balancing SeongJae Park
2025-05-22  3:08   ` Gregory Price
2025-05-22 16:30     ` SeongJae Park
2025-05-22 17:40       ` Gregory Price
2025-05-22 18:52         ` SeongJae Park
2025-05-22 18:43   ` Apologies and clarifications on DAMON-disruptions (was Re: [RFC PATCH v0 0/2] Batch migration for NUMA balancing) SeongJae Park
2025-05-26  5:20   ` [RFC PATCH v0 0/2] Batch migration for NUMA balancing Bharata B Rao
2025-05-27 18:50     ` SeongJae Park
2025-05-26  8:46 ` Huang, Ying
2025-05-27  8:53   ` Bharata B Rao
2025-05-27  9:05     ` Huang, Ying

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