From: "David Schwartz" <davids@webmaster.com>
To: "Xavier Bestel" <xavier.bestel@free.fr>
Cc: "Linux Kernel" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: BK kernel workflow
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:25:32 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <MDEHLPKNGKAHNMBLJOLKKEPBPFAA.davids@webmaster.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041028151004.GA3934@work.bitmover.com>
> Since you haven't paid for the product, copyright law applies and
> that's quite different than contract law. You get a certain set
> of rights, which vary worldwide, when you buy something. Copyright
> is far more restrictive.
>
> "Fair use" != "reverse engineering" in any venue so far as I know.
>
> As always, IANAL, so contact yours for clarification.
As I understand the law, at least in the United States, you have the exact
same rights whether you buy the product or get it for free, so long as you
acquire it legally. This includes the right to use the product as it is
normally used. Otherwise, I could write a poem, put it up on billboards, and
then try to sue everyone whose eyes passed over it. This is legally
enshrined in the doctrine of "first sale", which despite its name applies to
any legal acquisition.
It's not clear whether shrink wrap or other licenses can reduce this basic
right to use that which one lawfully acquires. Some have pointed to various
cases (such as ProCD v. Zeidenberg), but all the cases I have seen have
differed from the shrinkwrap/copyright issue in at least one key respect.
DS
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-10-28 19:27 UTC|newest]
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2004-10-19 16:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-19 21:33 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-19 21:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-19 21:54 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-19 22:11 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-20 7:35 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-23 16:12 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-24 10:24 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-24 14:44 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-24 16:44 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-24 23:32 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-25 11:33 ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-25 11:46 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 12:29 ` Joe Perches
2004-10-25 13:39 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 15:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-25 15:43 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 16:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-25 17:22 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 20:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-26 2:19 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-25 16:20 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-25 16:47 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 17:12 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-25 17:34 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-25 17:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-25 17:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-26 0:06 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-26 0:51 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-26 2:21 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-27 2:05 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-27 3:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-27 4:18 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-27 16:45 ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-27 18:12 ` Buddy Lucas
2004-10-27 20:56 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-27 21:20 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-28 1:14 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-28 1:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-27 21:45 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-31 19:50 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-28 9:20 ` James Bruce
2004-10-28 11:39 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-10-28 13:53 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-28 14:06 ` Xavier Bestel
2004-10-28 15:10 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-28 19:20 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-28 19:25 ` David Schwartz [this message]
2004-10-28 19:38 ` Kevin P. Fleming
2004-10-28 19:22 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-28 23:22 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-28 23:59 ` David S. Miller
2004-10-29 0:25 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-29 14:31 ` Scott Lockwood
2004-10-29 14:35 ` Xavier Bestel
2004-10-29 17:02 ` The requested ruling (Was: BK kernel workflow) Scott Lockwood
2004-10-30 2:08 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-28 19:59 ` BK kernel workflow Adrian Bunk
2004-10-28 21:35 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-30 6:51 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-30 23:46 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-30 23:05 ` Alan Cox
2004-10-31 17:47 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31 0:28 ` Robert Love
2004-10-31 1:11 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-29 17:19 ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-29 17:36 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-29 18:06 ` Stephen Frost
2004-10-29 18:20 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-29 18:08 ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-29 18:21 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-29 18:33 ` Scott Lockwood
2004-10-29 18:55 ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-29 19:14 ` Scott Lockwood
2004-10-30 5:04 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-30 20:42 ` Scott Lockwood
2004-10-30 23:35 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31 0:20 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-31 2:37 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-31 3:34 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31 4:01 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-31 4:39 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31 2:44 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-10-29 19:39 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-29 20:33 ` Stephen Frost
2004-10-29 23:38 ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-29 21:11 ` Adrian Bunk
2004-10-30 2:39 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-30 2:02 ` Al Viro
2004-10-29 19:13 ` Ramón Rey Vicente
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2004-10-29 19:26 ` Ramón Rey Vicente
2004-10-29 23:01 ` Tim Hockin
2004-10-29 20:32 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-29 22:41 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-30 11:38 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-31 21:03 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-31 21:14 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31 21:21 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-31 21:35 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31 21:46 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-31 23:44 ` Larry McVoy
2004-11-01 3:16 ` Kyle Moffett
2004-11-01 4:57 ` Larry McVoy
2004-11-01 8:39 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-26 1:01 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-27 2:30 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-27 3:54 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-27 20:58 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-27 21:16 ` Joe Perches
2004-10-28 0:54 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-28 1:49 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-28 2:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-28 3:09 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-28 21:03 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-28 21:39 ` Eric Mudama
2004-10-28 22:45 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-28 22:54 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-29 8:09 ` Manu Abraham
2004-10-29 14:28 ` Scott Lockwood
2004-10-29 15:49 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-29 16:41 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-29 17:20 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-10-30 0:41 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-29 19:03 ` Chris Friesen
2004-10-29 20:00 ` Ryan Anderson
2004-10-30 0:41 ` David Schwartz
2004-10-31 20:47 ` Pavel Machek
2004-10-31 20:53 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-31 22:07 ` Sam Ravnborg
2004-10-28 1:05 ` Theodore Ts'o
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2004-10-30 3:55 ` Pete Zaitcev
2004-10-25 19:51 ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-26 0:58 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2004-10-26 2:23 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-25 18:18 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-25 23:01 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-26 1:28 ` Chris Wedgwood
2004-10-26 2:26 ` Jon Smirl
2004-10-26 6:57 ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-26 13:09 ` Giuseppe Bilotta
2004-10-24 17:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-24 17:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-24 18:39 ` Michael Buesch
2004-10-26 7:32 ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-24 22:33 ` Roman Zippel
2004-10-24 23:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2004-10-19 23:27 ` Greg KH
2004-10-25 13:01 ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-25 14:39 ` Paolo Ciarrocchi
2004-10-25 15:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-25 16:35 ` Matthias Urlichs
2004-10-25 22:05 ` Andrew Morton
2004-10-20 8:31 ` maximilian attems
2004-10-20 9:05 ` Jeff Garzik
2004-10-26 7:38 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-26 14:23 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-26 18:16 ` Ryan Anderson
2004-10-26 19:22 ` Larry McVoy
2004-10-26 15:54 Chuck Ebbert
2004-10-26 20:47 ` Larry McVoy
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2004-10-30 20:54 ` walt
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