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From: "Richard B. Johnson" <root@chaos.analogic.com>
To: Buddy Lumpkin <b.lumpkin@comcast.net>
Cc: "'Denis Vlasenko'" <vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua>,
	orders@nodivisions.com,
	Linux kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: why swap at all?
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 08:33:47 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.53.0405260813440.858@chaos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <S265514AbUEZMDj/20040526120339Z+1733@vger.kernel.org>


Gentlemen,

There is not enough RAM address-space in even 64-bit machines
to do a sort/merge of even a typical inventory with all the
keys present in RAM. So you need multiple tasks, each with
as much of the 64-bit address-space occupied by RAM, as
possible. Even then, you need to do partial sorts, etc.

It's not "bloat-ware" that requires getting as much free RAM
as possible for an application, but the business of doing business.
So, performance of data-intensive work such as the sort/merge
is improved by writing the contents of sleeping tasks RAM to
a storage device and using that RAM. It's just that simple.

Many years ago, there was a small company that tried to sell
a sort/merge engine (a dedicated CPU) to Digital because the
problems with handling large databases was well known and
interactive performance on VAX/11-750 machines sucked when
database applications were being run (because their pages
were being swapped). Of course the NIH syndrome took its
toll and nobody ever got such an engine. The result being
that everybody has performance problems when database
operations are being run --even today, with different
machines.

Any data-intensive application needs as much RAM as possible and
that's never quite enough for best performance.

Cheers,
Dick Johnson
Penguin : Linux version 2.4.26 on an i686 machine (5570.56 BogoMips).
            Note 96.31% of all statistics are fiction.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-05-26 12:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-26  6:38 Anthony DiSante
2004-05-26  7:31 ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26  7:55   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-05-26  8:30     ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26  8:44       ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26  9:34         ` John Bradford
2004-05-26  9:48           ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 10:10             ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-26 10:33               ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 10:58                 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-26 11:19                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 12:27                     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-27  5:38                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 12:37                     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-26 13:06                       ` Gianni Tedesco
2004-05-26 13:41                         ` Matt H.
2004-05-26 13:55                       ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-27  5:14                       ` Tom Felker
2004-05-27  6:02                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-27  7:04                         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-05-27  7:16                         ` Oliver Neukum
2004-05-26 10:45               ` Martin Olsson
2004-05-26 11:25                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 16:33                 ` David Schwartz
2004-05-26 16:58                   ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 23:32                     ` Kyle Moffett
2004-05-27  8:05                       ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 10:46             ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 11:46             ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 11:39           ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26  9:42         ` Anthony DiSante
2004-05-26  9:58           ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 20:11             ` Wakko Warner
2004-05-27  5:59               ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-27 14:34                 ` Wakko Warner
2004-05-26 10:40         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 13:15           ` Helge Hafting
2004-05-26  9:09       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-05-26 11:38         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:12           ` Paulo Marques
2004-05-26 12:14           ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 12:40           ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-26 10:41       ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-26 12:07         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:06           ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2004-05-26 12:19           ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-26 13:48             ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:33           ` Richard B. Johnson [this message]
2004-05-26 13:25             ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:30         ` Rik van Riel
2004-05-26 10:44       ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-26 11:49         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:19       ` Rik van Riel
2004-05-26 12:55         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26  8:27 ` Roger Luethi
2004-05-26  9:23   ` John Bradford
2004-05-26  9:30     ` Roger Luethi
2004-05-26 10:35       ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 10:37         ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 10:48           ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 13:01     ` Helge Hafting
2004-05-26  8:32 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-26  9:00 ` Helge Hafting
2004-05-26  9:40   ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 13:06     ` Helge Hafting
2004-06-01  7:23     ` swappiness ignored Anthony DiSante
2004-06-01  9:36       ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2004-06-01 19:38         ` Anthony DiSante
2004-06-01 19:42           ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2004-06-02 19:54         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-02 23:33           ` Con Kolivas
2004-05-26  9:06 ` why swap at all? John Bradford
2004-05-26 12:31   ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 10:02 ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-05-26 13:00 ` Satoshi Oshima
2004-05-26 13:38   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-05-26 11:04 Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 11:57 Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 12:19 ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:24 Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 13:03 ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 13:27   ` Helge Hafting
2004-05-26 12:34 Piszcz, Justin Michael
2004-05-27  5:37 Nick Piggin
2004-05-27 17:27 ` Buddy Lumpkin
     [not found] <fa.fegqf9v.kmidof@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.bqpvcrs.u648jq@ifi.uio.no>
2004-05-27 11:39   ` Andy Lutomirski
2004-05-28 21:37     ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-28 22:28       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-05-29  7:31         ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-31 10:49         ` jlnance
2004-06-01 11:57           ` Lenar Lõhmus
2004-06-01 12:27             ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-06-01 16:49             ` jlnance
2004-06-02 18:38               ` John Hendrikx
2004-06-01 12:21           ` David B. Stevens
2004-05-27 12:31 Piszcz, Justin Michael
2004-05-27 12:41 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-05-27 15:59   ` John Bradford
2004-05-27 16:16     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-03 13:38   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-05-31 19:34 Michael Brennan
2004-05-31 20:29 ` John Bradford
2004-05-31 22:47   ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-31 23:30     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-06-01 18:36       ` FabF
2004-06-01 19:02         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-01 19:53           ` FabF
2004-06-01 20:00             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-01 20:14               ` FabF
2004-06-01 20:22                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-01 21:15                   ` FabF
2004-06-01 21:40                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-03 13:54                     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-04  0:01                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-06-01 23:17               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-06-02  5:38                 ` FabF
2004-06-02 11:42                   ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-02 12:22                     ` John Bradford
2004-06-02 12:22                       ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-02 17:06                     ` FabF
2004-06-03 14:14                     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-04  7:23                       ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-06-04 17:08                         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-15 14:55                           ` Charles Shannon Hendrix
2004-06-04  9:11                       ` Catalin BOIE
2004-06-04 17:24                         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-06 14:39                       ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-02 17:59                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-02 18:30                     ` FabF
2004-06-02 23:54                       ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-03 16:16                         ` FabF
2004-06-03 23:56                           ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-04  0:16                             ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-03 14:18                     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-03 14:27                       ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-02 17:52                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-02  3:50           ` Tim Connors
2004-06-02 17:45             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-01  8:34     ` John Bradford
2004-06-01  8:32       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-01  8:50         ` John Bradford
2004-06-01  8:54           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-01  9:10             ` John Bradford
2004-06-08  1:18               ` Tim Connors
2004-06-08  5:29                 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-06-01  9:38   ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-06-01 10:13     ` Tim Connors
2004-06-01 10:24       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-01 11:19         ` Tim Connors
     [not found] <fa.amhil9e.o5kt1u@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.kfm8lru.1l2mdp4@ifi.uio.no>
2004-06-08 15:12   ` Ray Bryant
2004-06-08 15:15   ` Ray Bryant
2004-06-09 19:24     ` Bill Davidsen

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