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From: "Buddy Lumpkin" <b.lumpkin@comcast.net>
To: "'Nick Piggin'" <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>
Cc: "'John Bradford'" <john@grabjohn.com>,
	"'William Lee Irwin III'" <wli@holomorphy.com>,
	<orders@nodivisions.com>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: why swap at all?
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 05:19:34 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <S265540AbUEZMPm/20040526121543Z+487@vger.kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <40B48620.6000309@yahoo.com.au>

>> 
>> 3) once physical memory is full, file system I/O will only benefit from
>> reads that incur a minor fault. All other file system operations 
>> are bound
>> by the rate you can reclaim pages from physical memory.
>> 

> No, typically we can reclaim memory very quickly and the operations
> are bound by the speed of the block device.

So if all physical memory is full with either pagecache or anonymous memory,
where are you going to put these operations that are bound by the speed of
the block device?

You have to evict pages at the same rate your reading them in or writing to
the filesystem else you have nowhere to put them. This means that the rate
you can access the filesystem is governed by the rate you can evict pages
from memory.

Couple that with the fact that there are many pte's pointing at the same
physical page (shared page) in many cases where many processes are running
on the system. Because all of the references to that page must be removed
before the page can be evicted, there are some absolute limitations in the
rate that pages can be evicted from memory as the number of processes
running on the system and the total amount of memory increases.

--Buddy


  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-26 12:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-26 11:57 Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 12:19 ` Buddy Lumpkin [this message]
     [not found] <fa.amhil9e.o5kt1u@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.kfm8lru.1l2mdp4@ifi.uio.no>
2004-06-08 15:12   ` Ray Bryant
2004-06-08 15:15   ` Ray Bryant
2004-06-09 19:24     ` Bill Davidsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-31 19:34 Michael Brennan
2004-05-31 20:29 ` John Bradford
2004-05-31 22:47   ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-31 23:30     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-06-01 18:36       ` FabF
2004-06-01 19:02         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-01 19:53           ` FabF
2004-06-01 20:00             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-01 20:14               ` FabF
2004-06-01 20:22                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-01 21:15                   ` FabF
2004-06-01 21:40                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-03 13:54                     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-04  0:01                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-06-01 23:17               ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-06-02  5:38                 ` FabF
2004-06-02 11:42                   ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-02 12:22                     ` John Bradford
2004-06-02 12:22                       ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-02 17:06                     ` FabF
2004-06-03 14:14                     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-04  7:23                       ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-06-04 17:08                         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-15 14:55                           ` Charles Shannon Hendrix
2004-06-04  9:11                       ` Catalin BOIE
2004-06-04 17:24                         ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-06 14:39                       ` Rik van Riel
2004-06-02 17:59                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-02 18:30                     ` FabF
2004-06-02 23:54                       ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-03 16:16                         ` FabF
2004-06-03 23:56                           ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-04  0:16                             ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-03 14:18                     ` Bill Davidsen
2004-06-03 14:27                       ` Con Kolivas
2004-06-02 17:52                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-02  3:50           ` Tim Connors
2004-06-02 17:45             ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2004-06-01  8:34     ` John Bradford
2004-06-01  8:32       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-01  8:50         ` John Bradford
2004-06-01  8:54           ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-01  9:10             ` John Bradford
2004-06-08  1:18               ` Tim Connors
2004-06-08  5:29                 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-06-01  9:38   ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-06-01 10:13     ` Tim Connors
2004-06-01 10:24       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-01 11:19         ` Tim Connors
2004-05-27 12:31 Piszcz, Justin Michael
2004-05-27 12:41 ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-05-27 15:59   ` John Bradford
2004-05-27 16:16     ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-06-03 13:38   ` Bill Davidsen
     [not found] <fa.fegqf9v.kmidof@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.bqpvcrs.u648jq@ifi.uio.no>
2004-05-27 11:39   ` Andy Lutomirski
2004-05-28 21:37     ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-28 22:28       ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-05-29  7:31         ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-31 10:49         ` jlnance
2004-06-01 11:57           ` Lenar Lõhmus
2004-06-01 12:27             ` Robin Rosenberg
2004-06-01 16:49             ` jlnance
2004-06-02 18:38               ` John Hendrikx
2004-06-01 12:21           ` David B. Stevens
2004-05-27  5:37 Nick Piggin
2004-05-27 17:27 ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:34 Piszcz, Justin Michael
2004-05-26 12:24 Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 13:03 ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 13:27   ` Helge Hafting
2004-05-26 11:04 Nick Piggin
2004-05-26  6:38 Anthony DiSante
2004-05-26  7:31 ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26  7:55   ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-05-26  8:30     ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26  8:44       ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26  9:34         ` John Bradford
2004-05-26  9:48           ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 10:10             ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-26 10:33               ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 10:58                 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-26 11:19                   ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 12:27                     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-27  5:38                       ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 12:37                     ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2004-05-26 13:06                       ` Gianni Tedesco
2004-05-26 13:41                         ` Matt H.
2004-05-26 13:55                       ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-27  5:14                       ` Tom Felker
2004-05-27  6:02                         ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-27  7:04                         ` Bernd Eckenfels
2004-05-27  7:16                         ` Oliver Neukum
2004-05-26 10:45               ` Martin Olsson
2004-05-26 11:25                 ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 16:33                 ` David Schwartz
2004-05-26 16:58                   ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 23:32                     ` Kyle Moffett
2004-05-27  8:05                       ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 10:46             ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 11:46             ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 11:39           ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26  9:42         ` Anthony DiSante
2004-05-26  9:58           ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 20:11             ` Wakko Warner
2004-05-27  5:59               ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-27 14:34                 ` Wakko Warner
2004-05-26 10:40         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 13:15           ` Helge Hafting
2004-05-26  9:09       ` William Lee Irwin III
2004-05-26 11:38         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:12           ` Paulo Marques
2004-05-26 12:14           ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 12:40           ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-26 10:41       ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-26 12:07         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:06           ` Marc-Christian Petersen
2004-05-26 12:19           ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-26 13:48             ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:33           ` Richard B. Johnson
2004-05-26 13:25             ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:30         ` Rik van Riel
2004-05-26 10:44       ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-26 11:49         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 12:19       ` Rik van Riel
2004-05-26 12:55         ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26  8:27 ` Roger Luethi
2004-05-26  9:23   ` John Bradford
2004-05-26  9:30     ` Roger Luethi
2004-05-26 10:35       ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 10:37         ` Nick Piggin
2004-05-26 10:48           ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 13:01     ` Helge Hafting
2004-05-26  8:32 ` Denis Vlasenko
2004-05-26  9:00 ` Helge Hafting
2004-05-26  9:40   ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 13:06     ` Helge Hafting
2004-05-26  9:06 ` John Bradford
2004-05-26 12:31   ` Buddy Lumpkin
2004-05-26 10:02 ` Raphael Jacquot
2004-05-26 13:00 ` Satoshi Oshima
2004-05-26 13:38   ` William Lee Irwin III

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