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From: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
To: "Boehm, Hans" <hans_boehm@hp.com>
Cc: "'Arjan van de Ven'" <arjanv@redhat.com>,
	Hans Boehm <Hans.Boehm@hp.com>,
	"MOSBERGER, DAVID (HP-PaloAlto,unix3)" <davidm@hpl.hp.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-ia64@linuxia64.org
Subject: RE: [Linux-ia64] Re: web page on O(1) scheduler
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:38:44 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.55.0305232225010.3538@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <75A9FEBA25015040A761C1F74975667D01442109@hplex4.hpl.hp.com>

On Fri, 23 May 2003, Boehm, Hans wrote:

> Thanks for the pointer.  In the statically linked case, I get 200/568/345
> for custom/pthread_mutex/pthread_spin.
>
> I agree that this is not a fair comparison.  That was my point.  An implementation
> with custom yield/sleep
> code can do things that you can't do with blocking pthreads primitives at the
> same performance.  (Of course pthreads_mutex_lock will win in other cases.)
>
> Please forget about the abort() in the contention case.  I put that there for
> brevity since it is not exercised by the test.  The intent was to time the
> noncontention performance of a custom lock that first spins, then yields,
> and then sleeps, as was stated in the comment.
>
> You are forgetting two issues in your analysis of what pthreads is/should be doing
> relative to the spin-lock-like code:
>
> 1) The unlock code is different.  If you potentially do a waitforunlocks()
> in the locking code, you need to at least check whether the corresponding
> notification is necessary when you unlock().  For NPTL that requires another
> atomic operation, and hence another dozen to a couple of hundred cycles,
> depending on the processor.  You need to look at both the lock and unlock
> code.

That code was completely independent by what pthread might do. I didn't
look at the code but I think the new pthread uses futexes for mutexes.
The code wanted only to show that a mutex lock does more than a spinlock.
And this "more" is amplified by your tight loop.



> 2) (I hadn't mentioned this before.) The (standard interpretation of)
> the memory barrier semantics of the pthreads primitives is too strong.
> Arguably they need to be full memory barriers in both directions.
> The pthread_spin_lock code inserts an extra full
> memory barrier on IA64 as a result, instead of just
> using the acquire barrier associated with the cmpxchg.acq instruction.
> (I think the spin unlock code doesn't do this.  One could argue that that's a bug,
> though I would argue that the bug is really  in the pthreads spec.)

You need a write memory barrier even on the unlock. Consider this :

	spinlock = 1;
	...
	protected_resource = NEWVAL;
	spinlock = 0;

( where spinlock = 0/1 strip down, but do not lose the concept, the lock
operation ). If a CPU reorder those writes, another CPU might see the lock
drop before the protected resource assignment. And this is usually bad
for obvious reasons.



- Davide


  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-24  5:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-24  0:53 Boehm, Hans
2003-05-24  5:38 ` Davide Libenzi [this message]
2003-05-24 14:43   ` Davide Libenzi
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-05-24  0:10 Boehm, Hans
2003-05-24  0:20 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-23 17:48 Boehm, Hans
2003-05-23 18:04 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-21  6:49 David Mosberger
2003-05-21  9:01 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-21 10:40   ` [Linux-ia64] " Duraid Madina
2003-05-21 10:43     ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-21 13:12     ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-21 13:51       ` Olivier Galibert
2003-05-28 22:12         ` Bill Davidsen
     [not found]         ` <Pine.LNX.3.96.1030528180909.21414B-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.c om>
2003-05-29  5:59           ` Mike Galbraith
2003-06-02  8:05             ` Ingo Molnar
2003-06-04  4:07               ` Bill Davidsen
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306020949520.3375-100000@localhost.localdom ain>
2003-06-02 13:51               ` Mike Galbraith
2003-06-04  3:52             ` Bill Davidsen
2003-06-04  4:55               ` David Schwartz
     [not found]             ` <Pine.LNX.3.96.1030603234616.16495B-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.c om>
2003-06-04  7:13               ` Mike Galbraith
2003-06-04 15:30                 ` Jan Harkes
2003-05-21 19:18       ` Duraid Madina
2003-05-21 20:03         ` Helge Hafting
2003-05-21 22:59         ` Alan Cox
2003-05-23  1:07   ` Hans Boehm
2003-05-23  8:30     ` Arjan van de Ven

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