From: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
To: "Boehm, Hans" <hans_boehm@hp.com>
Cc: "'Arjan van de Ven'" <arjanv@redhat.com>,
Hans Boehm <Hans.Boehm@hp.com>,
"MOSBERGER, DAVID (HP-PaloAlto,unix3)" <davidm@hpl.hp.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-ia64@linuxia64.org
Subject: RE: [Linux-ia64] Re: web page on O(1) scheduler
Date: Fri, 23 May 2003 22:38:44 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.55.0305232225010.3538@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <75A9FEBA25015040A761C1F74975667D01442109@hplex4.hpl.hp.com>
On Fri, 23 May 2003, Boehm, Hans wrote:
> Thanks for the pointer. In the statically linked case, I get 200/568/345
> for custom/pthread_mutex/pthread_spin.
>
> I agree that this is not a fair comparison. That was my point. An implementation
> with custom yield/sleep
> code can do things that you can't do with blocking pthreads primitives at the
> same performance. (Of course pthreads_mutex_lock will win in other cases.)
>
> Please forget about the abort() in the contention case. I put that there for
> brevity since it is not exercised by the test. The intent was to time the
> noncontention performance of a custom lock that first spins, then yields,
> and then sleeps, as was stated in the comment.
>
> You are forgetting two issues in your analysis of what pthreads is/should be doing
> relative to the spin-lock-like code:
>
> 1) The unlock code is different. If you potentially do a waitforunlocks()
> in the locking code, you need to at least check whether the corresponding
> notification is necessary when you unlock(). For NPTL that requires another
> atomic operation, and hence another dozen to a couple of hundred cycles,
> depending on the processor. You need to look at both the lock and unlock
> code.
That code was completely independent by what pthread might do. I didn't
look at the code but I think the new pthread uses futexes for mutexes.
The code wanted only to show that a mutex lock does more than a spinlock.
And this "more" is amplified by your tight loop.
> 2) (I hadn't mentioned this before.) The (standard interpretation of)
> the memory barrier semantics of the pthreads primitives is too strong.
> Arguably they need to be full memory barriers in both directions.
> The pthread_spin_lock code inserts an extra full
> memory barrier on IA64 as a result, instead of just
> using the acquire barrier associated with the cmpxchg.acq instruction.
> (I think the spin unlock code doesn't do this. One could argue that that's a bug,
> though I would argue that the bug is really in the pthreads spec.)
You need a write memory barrier even on the unlock. Consider this :
spinlock = 1;
...
protected_resource = NEWVAL;
spinlock = 0;
( where spinlock = 0/1 strip down, but do not lose the concept, the lock
operation ). If a CPU reorder those writes, another CPU might see the lock
drop before the protected resource assignment. And this is usually bad
for obvious reasons.
- Davide
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-05-24 5:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-05-24 0:53 Boehm, Hans
2003-05-24 5:38 ` Davide Libenzi [this message]
2003-05-24 14:43 ` Davide Libenzi
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2003-05-24 0:10 Boehm, Hans
2003-05-24 0:20 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-23 17:48 Boehm, Hans
2003-05-23 18:04 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-05-21 6:49 David Mosberger
2003-05-21 9:01 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-21 10:40 ` [Linux-ia64] " Duraid Madina
2003-05-21 10:43 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-05-21 13:12 ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-05-21 13:51 ` Olivier Galibert
2003-05-28 22:12 ` Bill Davidsen
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.3.96.1030528180909.21414B-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.c om>
2003-05-29 5:59 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-06-02 8:05 ` Ingo Molnar
2003-06-04 4:07 ` Bill Davidsen
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.4.44.0306020949520.3375-100000@localhost.localdom ain>
2003-06-02 13:51 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-06-04 3:52 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-06-04 4:55 ` David Schwartz
[not found] ` <Pine.LNX.3.96.1030603234616.16495B-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.c om>
2003-06-04 7:13 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-06-04 15:30 ` Jan Harkes
2003-05-21 19:18 ` Duraid Madina
2003-05-21 20:03 ` Helge Hafting
2003-05-21 22:59 ` Alan Cox
2003-05-23 1:07 ` Hans Boehm
2003-05-23 8:30 ` Arjan van de Ven
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