From: Davide Libenzi <davidel@xmailserver.org>
To: Jamie Lokier <jamie@shareable.org>
Cc: Eric Varsanyi <e0206@foo21.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [Patch][RFC] epoll and half closed TCP connections
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2003 09:55:23 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.55.0307130932300.14680@bigblue.dev.mcafeelabs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030713131210.GA19132@mail.jlokier.co.uk>
On Sun, 13 Jul 2003, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> Eric Varsanyi wrote:
> > > Well then, use epoll's level-triggered mode. It's quite easy - it's
> > > the default now. :)
> >
> > The problem with all the level triggered schemes (poll, select, epoll w/o
> > EPOLLET) is that they call every driver and poll status for every call into
> > the kernel. This appeared to be killing my app's performance and I verified
> > by writing some simple micro benchmarks.
>
> OH! :-O
>
> Level-triggered epoll_wait() time _should_ be scalable - proportional
> to the number of ready events, not the number of listening events. If
> this is not the case then it's a bug in epoll.
Jamie, he is talking about select here.
> Reading the code in eventpoll.c et al, I think that some time will
> be taken for fds that are transitioning on events which you're not
> interested in. Notably, each time a TCP segment is sent and
> acknowledged by the other end, poll-waiters are woken, your task will
> be woken and do some work in epoll_wait(), but no events are returned
> if you are only listening for read availability.
>
> I'm not 100% sure of this, but tracing through
>
> skb->destructor
> -> sock_wfree()
> -> tcp_write_space()
> -> wake_up_interruptible()
> -> ep_poll_callback()
>
> it looks as though _every_ TCP ACK you receive will cause epoll to wake up
> a task which is interested in _any_ socket events, but then in
>
> <context switch>
> ep_poll()
> -> ep_events_transfer()
> -> ep_send_events()
>
> no events are transferred, so ep_poll() will loop and try again. This
> is quite unfortunate if true, as many of the apps which need to scale
> write a lot of segments without receiving very much.
That's true, it is the beauty of the poll hook ;) I said this a long time
ago. It is addressable by a wake_up_mask() and some code all around. I did
not see (as long as other didn't) any performance impact bacause of this,
with throughput that remained steady flat under any ratio of hot/cold fds.
Since it is easily addressable and will not require an API change, I'd
rather wait for someone to report a real (or even unreal) load that makes
epoll to not flat-scale.
- Davide
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-07-13 16:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-07-12 18:16 Eric Varsanyi
2003-07-12 19:44 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-12 20:51 ` Eric Varsanyi
2003-07-12 20:48 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-12 21:19 ` Eric Varsanyi
2003-07-12 21:20 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-12 21:41 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-12 23:11 ` Eric Varsanyi
2003-07-12 23:55 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-13 1:05 ` Eric Varsanyi
2003-07-13 20:32 ` David Schwartz
2003-07-13 21:10 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-13 23:05 ` David Schwartz
2003-07-13 23:09 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14 8:14 ` Alan Cox
2003-07-14 15:03 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14 1:27 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-13 21:14 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-13 23:05 ` David Schwartz
2003-07-13 23:11 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-13 23:52 ` Entrope
2003-07-14 6:14 ` David Schwartz
2003-07-14 7:20 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14 1:51 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14 6:14 ` David Schwartz
2003-07-15 20:27 ` James Antill
2003-07-16 1:46 ` David Schwartz
2003-07-16 2:09 ` James Antill
2003-07-13 13:12 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-13 16:55 ` Davide Libenzi [this message]
2003-07-12 20:01 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-13 5:24 ` David S. Miller
2003-07-13 14:07 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-13 17:00 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-13 19:15 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-13 23:03 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14 1:41 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14 2:24 ` POLLRDONCE optimisation for epoll users (was: epoll and half closed TCP connections) Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14 2:37 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14 2:43 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14 2:56 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14 3:02 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14 3:16 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14 3:21 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14 3:42 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14 4:00 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14 5:51 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14 6:24 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14 6:57 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14 3:12 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14 3:17 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14 3:35 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14 3:04 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14 3:12 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14 3:27 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-07-14 17:09 ` [Patch][RFC] epoll and half closed TCP connections kuznet
2003-07-14 17:09 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-07-14 21:45 ` Jamie Lokier
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