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From: Dave Airlie <airlied@linux.ie>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: "Jon Smirl" <jonsmirl@gmail.com>,
	"Felix Kühling" <fxkuehl@gmx.de>,
	"DRI Devel" <dri-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@osdl.org>
Subject: Re: radeon-pre-2
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2004 01:50:03 +0100 (IST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409110137590.26651@skynet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1094853588.18235.12.camel@localhost.localdomain>

>
> We've addressed this before. Zillions of drivers provide multiple
> functions to multiple higher level subsystems. They don't all have to
> be compiled together to make it work.
>
> 2D and 3D _are_ to most intents and purposes different functions. They
> are as different as IDE CD and IDE disk if not more so.

So the IDE-CD driver and IDE-disk drivers both program registers on the
IDE controller directly.. oh no the ide driver seems to do that.. this is
FUD, a graphics card is a device, singular one device, it requires one
device driver, the device driver should provide control over the device
and be the only one to program its registers.. it can provide services to
who ever wants services, be it a 2D console driver or a 3D client or a 4D
super-time-travelling application,

I can't write a user space IDE driver and still expect the kernel one to
be happy, I can't write a second IDE driver for a chipset for formatting
disks and expect the normal kernel driver to stay working with it, why do
people think graphics driver are meant to be different..

Alan, I agree with how you want to proceed with this, and keep things
stable, but anything short of a single card-specific driver looking after
the registers and DMA queueing and locking is going to have deficiencies
and the DRM has a better basis than the fb drivers,

Dave.

-- 
David Airlie, Software Engineer
http://www.skynet.ie/~airlied / airlied at skynet.ie
pam_smb / Linux DECstation / Linux VAX / ILUG person


  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-09-11  0:51 UTC|newest]

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     [not found]   ` <9e47339104090917353554a586@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <Pine.LNX.4.58.0409100209100.32064@skynet>
     [not found]       ` <9e47339104090919015b5b5a4d@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]         ` <20040910153135.4310c13a.felix@trabant>
     [not found]           ` <9e47339104091008115b821912@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]             ` <1094829278.17801.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
     [not found]               ` <9e4733910409100937126dc0e7@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                 ` <1094832031.17883.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2004-09-10 17:22                   ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-10 17:04                     ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-10 18:40                       ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-10 22:19                         ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-10 22:00                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-10 23:24                             ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-11  7:40                               ` radeon-pre-2 Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-09-11  8:42                               ` radeon-pre-2 Keith Whitwell
2004-09-11 13:59                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11  0:47                             ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11  8:43                               ` radeon-pre-2 Keith Whitwell
2004-09-11 12:23                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Mike Mestnik
2004-09-11 15:39                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 14:14                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11  0:50                             ` Dave Airlie [this message]
2004-09-11  3:30                               ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-11  5:19                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-11  6:12                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-11  7:11                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 14:36                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 15:53                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 15:14                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 17:10                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 16:20                                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 17:49                                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 17:59                                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 18:05                                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-11 18:09                                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-12  1:55                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Mike Mestnik
2004-09-11  9:20                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Antonino A. Daplas
2004-09-11 14:40                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 16:34                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 14:33                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 16:46                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 16:21                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 17:27                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-13 11:40                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Keith Whitwell
2004-09-11 19:10                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Hamie
2004-09-11 23:20                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-12  9:13                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Geert Uytterhoeven
2004-09-12 11:36                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Hamie
2004-09-12 17:31                                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 16:23                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 14:25                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-12 22:42                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-12 23:03                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-13  0:27                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-13  0:45                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-13  0:52                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-13 14:52                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-13 13:57                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-13 15:20                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-13 15:07                                               ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-13 15:20                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-13 19:21                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Alex Deucher
2004-09-13 20:42                                               ` radeon-pre-2 David Bronaugh
2004-09-13 21:57                                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Alex Deucher
2004-09-13 16:26                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-13  6:05                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Alex Deucher
2004-09-13 16:29                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-13  6:41                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Arjan van de Ven
2004-09-13 11:26                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-13 15:06                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-13 15:04                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-13 16:28                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-13 16:43                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-13 18:11                                             ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-13 18:49                                               ` radeon-pre-2 Jesse Barnes
2004-09-13 22:17                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Antonino A. Daplas
2004-09-13 17:50                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-14 10:27                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11  8:38                             ` radeon-pre-2 Keith Whitwell
2004-09-10 23:10                           ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-10 22:17                             ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 12:27                           ` radeon-pre-2 Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-11 12:49                             ` radeon-pre-2 Mike Mestnik
2004-09-11 16:45                               ` radeon-pre-2 Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-11 16:11                             ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 16:45                               ` radeon-pre-2 Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-11 17:02                               ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-11 16:18                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 17:49                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-11 17:13                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 16:23                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-11 17:41                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-11 17:57                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Michel Dänzer
2004-09-11 20:29                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Eric Anholt
2004-09-11 21:41                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 17:54                                 ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 18:13                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-11 21:02                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 21:06                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Christoph Hellwig
2004-09-11 21:37                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-11 23:23                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
2004-09-12  7:12                                           ` radeon-pre-2 Eric Anholt
2004-09-12  0:21                                     ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl
2004-09-12  0:28                                       ` radeon-pre-2 Linus Torvalds
2004-09-12 23:53                                         ` radeon-pre-2 Dave Airlie
2004-09-11 18:17                                   ` radeon-pre-2 Vladimir Dergachev
2004-09-10 17:12                     ` radeon-pre-2 Alan Cox
     [not found]           ` <1094853894.18235.17.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2004-09-11  2:20             ` radeon-pre-2 Jon Smirl

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