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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
Cc: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Phil Auld <pauld@redhat.com>, Zefan Li <lizefan.x@bytedance.com>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@kernel.org>,
	Nicolas Saenz Julienne <nsaenz@kernel.org>,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 4/4] cpuset: Support RCU-NOCB toggle on v2 root partitions
Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 10:11:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YpR8PUlIraYE2+5L@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20220530004049.GA1251147@lothringen>

On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 02:40:49AM +0200, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 04:24:50PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Fri, May 27, 2022 at 10:30:18AM +0200, Juri Lelli wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > On 26/05/22 14:37, Tejun Heo wrote:
> > > > On Thu, May 26, 2022 at 08:28:43PM -0400, Waiman Long wrote:
> > > > > I am thinking along the line that it will not be hierarchical. However,
> > > > > cpuset can be useful if we want to have multiple isolated partitions
> > > > > underneath the top cpuset with different isolation attributes, but no more
> > > > > sub-isolated partition with sub-attributes underneath them. IOW, we can only
> > > > > set them at the first level under top_cpuset. Will that be useful?
> > > > 
> > > > At that point, I'd just prefer to have it under /proc or /sys.
> > > 
> > > FWIW, I was under the impression that this would nicely fit along the
> > > side of other feaures towards implenting dynamic isolation of CPUs (say
> > > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20220510153413.400020-1-longman@redhat.com/
> > > for example). Wouldn't be awkward to have to poke different places to
> > > achieve isolation at runtime?
> > 
> > This, that's what I was thinking.
> > 
> > My main objection to the whole thing is that it's an RCU_NOCB specific
> > interface. *That* I think is daft.
> > 
> > I was thinking a partition would be able to designate a house-keeping
> > sub-partition/mask, but who cares about all the various different
> > housekeeping parties.
> 
> It's time for the isolation users to step up here! I very rarely hear from them
> and I just can't figure out by myself all the variants of uses for each of the
> isolation features. May be some people are only interested in nocb for some
> specific uses, or may be it never makes sense without nohz full and all the rest
> of the isolation features. So for now I take the very cautious path to split the
> interface.

This is ABI, you can't walk back on it. I would suggest starting with an
'all feature' isolation. Only if there's real demand for something more
fine-grained add that on top. Simple first etc.

  reply	other threads:[~2022-05-30  8:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-05-25 22:10 [PATCH 0/4] rcu/cpuset: Control RCU_NOCB offloading through cpusets Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-25 22:10 ` [PATCH 1/4] rcu/nocb: Pass a cpumask instead of a single CPU to offload/deoffload Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-25 22:19   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-25 22:42     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-05-25 22:10 ` [PATCH 2/4] rcu/nocb: Prepare to change nocb cpumask from CPU-hotplug protected cpuset caller Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-25 22:10 ` [PATCH 3/4] sched/isolation: Infrastructure to support rcu nocb cpumask changes Frederic Weisbecker
2022-08-19  7:12   ` Tobias Huschle
2022-05-25 22:10 ` [RFC PATCH 4/4] cpuset: Support RCU-NOCB toggle on v2 root partitions Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-26 18:21   ` Tejun Heo
2022-05-26 22:51     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-26 23:02       ` Tejun Heo
2022-05-27  0:28         ` Waiman Long
2022-05-27  0:37           ` Tejun Heo
2022-05-27  8:30             ` Juri Lelli
2022-05-27  8:45               ` Tejun Heo
2022-05-27 12:58                 ` Phil Auld
2022-05-28 14:24               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-30  0:40                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-30  8:11                   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2022-05-30 10:56                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-30 13:16                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-05-30 14:13                         ` Juri Lelli
2022-05-30 21:35                         ` Frederic Weisbecker
2022-05-31  0:57                           ` Tejun Heo
2022-05-31 14:21                         ` Waiman Long
2022-05-30 14:29                   ` nicolas saenz julienne
2022-05-30 14:49                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2022-05-30 22:36                       ` Alison Chaiken

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