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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org,
	Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [tip: sched/core] sched/debug: Change SCHED_WARN_ON() to WARN_ON_ONCE()
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 10:37:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z-J5UEFwM3gh6VXR@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250324115955.GF14944@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>


* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 09:00:05AM -0000, tip-bot2 for Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > The following commit has been merged into the sched/core branch of tip:
> > 
> > Commit-ID:     f7d2728cc032a23fccb5ecde69793a38eb30ba5c
> > Gitweb:        https://git.kernel.org/tip/f7d2728cc032a23fccb5ecde69793a38eb30ba5c
> > Author:        Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
> > AuthorDate:    Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:42:52 +01:00
> > Committer:     Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
> > CommitterDate: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 22:20:53 +01:00
> > 
> > sched/debug: Change SCHED_WARN_ON() to WARN_ON_ONCE()
> > 
> > The scheduler has this special SCHED_WARN() facility that
> > depends on CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG.
> > 
> > Since CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG is getting removed, convert
> > SCHED_WARN() to WARN_ON_ONCE().
> > 
> > Note that the warning output isn't 100% equivalent:
> > 
> >    #define SCHED_WARN_ON(x)      WARN_ONCE(x, #x)
> > 
> > Because SCHED_WARN_ON() would output the 'x' condition
> > as well, while WARN_ONCE() will only show a backtrace.
> > 
> > Hopefully these are rare enough to not really matter.
> > 
> > If it does, we should probably introduce a new WARN_ON()
> > variant that outputs the condition in stringified form,
> > or improve WARN_ON() itself.
> 
> So those strings really were useful, trouble is WARN_ONCE() generates
> utter crap code compared to WARN_ON_ONCE(), but since SCHED_DEBUG that
> doesn't really matter.

Why wouldn't it matter? CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG was turned on for 99.9999% 
of Linux users, ie. we generated crap code for most of our users.

And as a side effect of using the standard WARN_ON_ONCE() primitive we 
now generate better code, at the expense of harder to interpret debug 
output, right?

Ie. CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG has obfuscated crappy code generation under the 
"it's only debugging code" pretense, right?

> Also, last time I measured, there was a measurable performance
> difference between SCHED_DEBUG=n and SCHED_DEBUG=y.

Which 99.9999% of Linux users are affected by. The config option 
basically did nothing for them but hide this overhead...

Thanks,

	Ingo

  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-25  9:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-17 10:42 [PATCH 0/5] sched: Make CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG features unconditional Ingo Molnar
2025-03-17 10:42 ` [PATCH 1/5] sched/debug: Change SCHED_WARN_ON() to WARN_ON_ONCE() Ingo Molnar
2025-03-20  9:00   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Ingo Molnar
2025-03-24 11:59     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-25  9:37       ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2025-03-25 11:18         ` [PATCH] bug: Introduce CONFIG_DEBUG_BUGVERBOSE_EXTRA=y to also log warning conditions Ingo Molnar
2025-03-25 12:36           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-25 17:48             ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-25 18:46               ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-25 22:42               ` [PATCH] bug: Add the condition string to the CONFIG_DEBUG_BUGVERBOSE=y output Ingo Molnar
2025-03-25 23:12                 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-26  7:42                   ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-17 10:42 ` [PATCH 2/5] sched/debug: Make 'const_debug' tunables unconditional __read_mostly Ingo Molnar
2025-03-20  9:00   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Ingo Molnar
2025-03-17 10:42 ` [PATCH 3/5] sched/debug: Make CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG functionality unconditional Ingo Molnar
2025-03-20  9:00   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Ingo Molnar
2025-03-17 10:42 ` [PATCH 4/5] sched/debug, Documentation: Remove (most) CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG references from documentation Ingo Molnar
2025-03-20  9:00   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Ingo Molnar
2025-03-17 10:42 ` [PATCH 5/5] sched/debug: Remove CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG Ingo Molnar
2025-03-20  8:59   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Ingo Molnar
2025-03-24 11:57     ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-17 21:39 ` [PATCH 0/5] sched: Make CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG features unconditional Linus Torvalds
2025-03-17 22:24   ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-17 22:42     ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-19  8:49 ` Valentin Schneider
2025-03-19 21:09   ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-19 12:48 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-03-19 21:14   ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-20  4:41     ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-03-20  9:00     ` [tip: sched/core] sched/debug: Remove CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG from self-test config files tip-bot2 for Ingo Molnar

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