From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-tip-commits@vger.kernel.org,
Shrikanth Hegde <sshegde@linux.ibm.com>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [tip: sched/core] sched/debug: Change SCHED_WARN_ON() to WARN_ON_ONCE()
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2025 10:37:20 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z-J5UEFwM3gh6VXR@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250324115955.GF14944@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
* Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 20, 2025 at 09:00:05AM -0000, tip-bot2 for Ingo Molnar wrote:
> > The following commit has been merged into the sched/core branch of tip:
> >
> > Commit-ID: f7d2728cc032a23fccb5ecde69793a38eb30ba5c
> > Gitweb: https://git.kernel.org/tip/f7d2728cc032a23fccb5ecde69793a38eb30ba5c
> > Author: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
> > AuthorDate: Mon, 17 Mar 2025 11:42:52 +01:00
> > Committer: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
> > CommitterDate: Wed, 19 Mar 2025 22:20:53 +01:00
> >
> > sched/debug: Change SCHED_WARN_ON() to WARN_ON_ONCE()
> >
> > The scheduler has this special SCHED_WARN() facility that
> > depends on CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG.
> >
> > Since CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG is getting removed, convert
> > SCHED_WARN() to WARN_ON_ONCE().
> >
> > Note that the warning output isn't 100% equivalent:
> >
> > #define SCHED_WARN_ON(x) WARN_ONCE(x, #x)
> >
> > Because SCHED_WARN_ON() would output the 'x' condition
> > as well, while WARN_ONCE() will only show a backtrace.
> >
> > Hopefully these are rare enough to not really matter.
> >
> > If it does, we should probably introduce a new WARN_ON()
> > variant that outputs the condition in stringified form,
> > or improve WARN_ON() itself.
>
> So those strings really were useful, trouble is WARN_ONCE() generates
> utter crap code compared to WARN_ON_ONCE(), but since SCHED_DEBUG that
> doesn't really matter.
Why wouldn't it matter? CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG was turned on for 99.9999%
of Linux users, ie. we generated crap code for most of our users.
And as a side effect of using the standard WARN_ON_ONCE() primitive we
now generate better code, at the expense of harder to interpret debug
output, right?
Ie. CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG has obfuscated crappy code generation under the
"it's only debugging code" pretense, right?
> Also, last time I measured, there was a measurable performance
> difference between SCHED_DEBUG=n and SCHED_DEBUG=y.
Which 99.9999% of Linux users are affected by. The config option
basically did nothing for them but hide this overhead...
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-03-25 9:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-17 10:42 [PATCH 0/5] sched: Make CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG features unconditional Ingo Molnar
2025-03-17 10:42 ` [PATCH 1/5] sched/debug: Change SCHED_WARN_ON() to WARN_ON_ONCE() Ingo Molnar
2025-03-20 9:00 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Ingo Molnar
2025-03-24 11:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-25 9:37 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2025-03-25 11:18 ` [PATCH] bug: Introduce CONFIG_DEBUG_BUGVERBOSE_EXTRA=y to also log warning conditions Ingo Molnar
2025-03-25 12:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-25 17:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-25 18:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-25 22:42 ` [PATCH] bug: Add the condition string to the CONFIG_DEBUG_BUGVERBOSE=y output Ingo Molnar
2025-03-25 23:12 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-03-26 7:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-17 10:42 ` [PATCH 2/5] sched/debug: Make 'const_debug' tunables unconditional __read_mostly Ingo Molnar
2025-03-20 9:00 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Ingo Molnar
2025-03-17 10:42 ` [PATCH 3/5] sched/debug: Make CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG functionality unconditional Ingo Molnar
2025-03-20 9:00 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Ingo Molnar
2025-03-17 10:42 ` [PATCH 4/5] sched/debug, Documentation: Remove (most) CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG references from documentation Ingo Molnar
2025-03-20 9:00 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Ingo Molnar
2025-03-17 10:42 ` [PATCH 5/5] sched/debug: Remove CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG Ingo Molnar
2025-03-20 8:59 ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Ingo Molnar
2025-03-24 11:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-17 21:39 ` [PATCH 0/5] sched: Make CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG features unconditional Linus Torvalds
2025-03-17 22:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-17 22:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-19 8:49 ` Valentin Schneider
2025-03-19 21:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-19 12:48 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-03-19 21:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2025-03-20 4:41 ` Shrikanth Hegde
2025-03-20 9:00 ` [tip: sched/core] sched/debug: Remove CONFIG_SCHED_DEBUG from self-test config files tip-bot2 for Ingo Molnar
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