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From: Yan Zhao <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>
To: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
Cc: "kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
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	"nik.borisov@suse.com" <nik.borisov@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] SEPT SEAMCALL retry proposal
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2024 14:24:49 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z0VpsYpcz4uqdA7o@yzhao56-desk.sh.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4a3b3b6bc96e111e5380de4681a20c2734d82a33.camel@intel.com>

On Tue, Nov 26, 2024 at 08:46:51AM +0800, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
> On Thu, 2024-11-21 at 19:51 +0800, Yan Zhao wrote:
> > ==proposal details==
> > 
> > The proposal discusses SEPT-related and TLB-flush-related SEAMCALLs
> > together which are required for page installation and uninstallation.
> > 
> > These SEAMCALLs can be divided into three groups:
> > Group 1: tdh_mem_page_add().
> >          The SEAMCALL is invoked only during TD build time and therefore
> >          KVM has ensured that no contention will occur.
> > 
> >          Proposal: (as in patch 1)
> >          Just return error when TDX_OPERAND_BUSY is found.
> > 
> > Group 2: tdh_mem_sept_add(), tdh_mem_page_aug().
> >          These two SEAMCALLs are invoked for page installation. 
> >          They return TDX_OPERAND_BUSY when contending with tdh_vp_enter()
> > 	 (due to 0-step mitigation) or TDCALLs tdg_mem_page_accept(),
> > 	 tdg_mem_page_attr_rd/wr().
> 
> We did verify with TDX module folks that the TDX module could be changed to not
> take the sept host priority lock for zero entries (that happen during the guest
> operations). In that case, I think we shouldn't expect contention for
> tdh_mem_sept_add() and tdh_mem_page_aug() from them? We still need it for
> tdh_vp_enter() though.
Ah, you are right.

I previously incorrectly thought TDX module will avoid locking free entries for
tdg_mem_page_accept() only.


> 
> 
> > 
> >          Proposal: (as in patch 1)
> >          - Return -EBUSY in KVM for TDX_OPERAND_BUSY to cause RET_PF_RETRY
> >            to be returned in kvm_mmu_do_page_fault()/kvm_mmu_page_fault().
> >          
> >          - Inside TDX's EPT violation handler, retry on RET_PF_RETRY as
> >            long as there are no pending signals/interrupts.
> > 
> >          The retry inside TDX aims to reduce the count of tdh_vp_enter()
> >          before resolving EPT violations in the local vCPU, thereby
> >          minimizing contentions with other vCPUs. However, it can't
> >          completely eliminate 0-step mitigation as it exits when there're
> >          pending signals/interrupts and does not (and cannot) remove the
> >          tdh_vp_enter() caused by KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT.
> > 
> >          Resources    SHARED  users      EXCLUSIVE users
> >          ------------------------------------------------------------
> >          SEPT tree  tdh_mem_sept_add     tdh_vp_enter(0-step mitigation)
> >                     tdh_mem_page_aug
> >          ------------------------------------------------------------
> >          SEPT entry                      tdh_mem_sept_add (Host lock)
> >                                          tdh_mem_page_aug (Host lock)
> >                                          tdg_mem_page_accept (Guest lock)
> >                                          tdg_mem_page_attr_rd (Guest lock)
> >                                          tdg_mem_page_attr_wr (Guest lock)
> > 
> > Group 3: tdh_mem_range_block(), tdh_mem_track(), tdh_mem_page_remove().
> >          These three SEAMCALLs are invoked for page uninstallation, with
> >          KVM mmu_lock held for writing.
> > 
> >          Resources     SHARED users      EXCLUSIVE users
> >          ------------------------------------------------------------
> >          TDCS epoch    tdh_vp_enter      tdh_mem_track
> >          ------------------------------------------------------------
> >          SEPT tree  tdh_mem_page_remove  tdh_vp_enter (0-step mitigation)
> >                                          tdh_mem_range_block   
> >          ------------------------------------------------------------
> >          SEPT entry                      tdh_mem_range_block (Host lock)
> >                                          tdh_mem_page_remove (Host lock)
> >                                          tdg_mem_page_accept (Guest lock)
> >                                          tdg_mem_page_attr_rd (Guest lock)
> >                                          tdg_mem_page_attr_wr (Guest lock)
> > 
> >          Proposal: (as in patch 2)
> >          - Upon detection of TDX_OPERAND_BUSY, retry each SEAMCALL only
> >            once.
> >          - During the retry, kick off all vCPUs and prevent any vCPU from
> >            entering to avoid potential contentions.
> > 
> >          This is because tdh_vp_enter() and TDCALLs are not protected by
> >          KVM mmu_lock, and remove_external_spte() in KVM must not fail.
> 
> The solution for group 3 actually doesn't look too bad at all to me. At least
> from code and complexity wise. It's pretty compact, doesn't add any locks, and
> limited to the tdx.c code. Although, I didn't evaluate the implementation 
> correctness of tdx_no_vcpus_enter_start() and tdx_no_vcpus_enter_stop() yet.
> 
> Were you able to test the fallback path at all? Can we think of any real
> situations where it could be burdensome?
Yes, I did some negative tests to fail block/track/remove to check if the
tdx_no_vcpus_enter*() work.

Even without those negative tests, it's not rare for tdh_mem_track() to return
busy due to its contention with tdh_vp_enter().

Given that normally it's not frequent to find tdh_mem_range_block() or
tdh_mem_page_remove() to return busy (if we reduce the frequency of zero-step
mitigation) and that tdh_mem_track() will kick off all vCPUs later any way, I
think it's acceptable to do the tdx_no_vcpus_enter*() stuffs in the page removal
path.


> One other thing to note I think, is that group 3 are part of no-fail operations.
> The core KVM calling code doesn't have the understanding of a failure there. So
> in this scheme of not avoiding contention we have to succeed before returning,
> where group 1 and 2 can fail, so don't need the special fallback scheme.
Yes, exactly.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-26  6:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-12  7:33 [PATCH v2 00/24] TDX MMU Part 2 Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:34 ` [PATCH v2 01/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Implement memslot deletion for TDX Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:34 ` [PATCH v2 02/24] KVM: x86/tdp_mmu: Add a helper function to walk down the TDP MMU Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:35 ` [PATCH v2 03/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Do not enable page track for TD guest Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:35 ` [PATCH v2 04/24] KVM: VMX: Split out guts of EPT violation to common/exposed function Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:35 ` [PATCH v2 05/24] KVM: VMX: Teach EPT violation helper about private mem Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:35 ` [PATCH v2 06/24] KVM: TDX: Add accessors VMX VMCS helpers Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:36 ` [PATCH v2 07/24] KVM: TDX: Add load_mmu_pgd method for TDX Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:36 ` [PATCH v2 08/24] KVM: TDX: Set gfn_direct_bits to shared bit Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:36 ` [PATCH v2 09/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrapper tdh_mem_sept_add() to add SEPT pages Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:36 ` [PATCH v2 10/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrappers to add TD private pages Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:36 ` [PATCH v2 11/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrappers to manage TDX TLB tracking Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:36 ` [PATCH v2 12/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrappers to remove a TD private page Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:37 ` [PATCH v2 13/24] x86/virt/tdx: Add SEAMCALL wrappers for TD measurement of initial contents Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:37 ` [PATCH v2 14/24] KVM: TDX: Require TDP MMU and mmio caching for TDX Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:37 ` [PATCH v2 15/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Add setter for shadow_mmio_value Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:37 ` [PATCH v2 16/24] KVM: TDX: Set per-VM shadow_mmio_value to 0 Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:37 ` [PATCH v2 17/24] KVM: TDX: Handle TLB tracking for TDX Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:38 ` [PATCH v2 18/24] KVM: TDX: Implement hooks to propagate changes of TDP MMU mirror page table Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:38 ` [PATCH v2 19/24] KVM: TDX: Implement hook to get max mapping level of private pages Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:38 ` [PATCH v2 20/24] KVM: x86/mmu: Export kvm_tdp_map_page() Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:38 ` [PATCH v2 21/24] KVM: TDX: Add an ioctl to create initial guest memory Yan Zhao
2024-11-27 18:08   ` Nikolay Borisov
2024-11-28  2:20     ` Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:38 ` [PATCH v2 22/24] KVM: TDX: Finalize VM initialization Yan Zhao
2024-12-24 14:31   ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-01-07  7:44     ` Yan Zhao
2025-01-07 14:02       ` Paolo Bonzini
2025-01-08  2:18         ` Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:38 ` [PATCH v2 23/24] KVM: TDX: Handle vCPU dissociation Yan Zhao
2024-11-12  7:39 ` [PATCH v2 24/24] [HACK] KVM: TDX: Retry seamcall when TDX_OPERAND_BUSY with operand SEPT Yan Zhao
2024-11-21 11:51 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] SEPT SEAMCALL retry proposal Yan Zhao
2024-11-21 11:56   ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] KVM: TDX: Retry in TDX when installing TD private/sept pages Yan Zhao
2024-11-21 11:57   ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] KVM: TDX: Kick off vCPUs when SEAMCALL is busy during TD page removal Yan Zhao
2024-11-26  0:47     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-11-26  6:39       ` Yan Zhao
2024-12-17 23:29     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-18  5:45       ` Yan Zhao
2024-12-18 16:10         ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-19  1:52           ` Yan Zhao
2024-12-19  2:39             ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-19  3:03               ` Yan Zhao
2024-11-26  0:46   ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] SEPT SEAMCALL retry proposal Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-11-26  6:24     ` Yan Zhao [this message]
2024-12-13  1:01   ` Yan Zhao
2024-12-17 17:00   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2024-12-17 23:18     ` Sean Christopherson
2024-12-10 18:21 ` [PATCH v2 00/24] TDX MMU Part 2 Paolo Bonzini
2024-12-24 14:33 ` Paolo Bonzini

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