From: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
To: Chi Zhiling <chizhiling@163.com>
Cc: djwong@kernel.org, cem@kernel.org, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Chi Zhiling <chizhiling@kylinos.cn>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] xfs: Remove i_rwsem lock in buffered read
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2024 08:50:46 +1100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Z23Ptl5cAnIiKx6W@dread.disaster.area> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241226061602.2222985-1-chizhiling@163.com>
On Thu, Dec 26, 2024 at 02:16:02PM +0800, Chi Zhiling wrote:
> From: Chi Zhiling <chizhiling@kylinos.cn>
>
> Using an rwsem to protect file data ensures that we can always obtain a
> completed modification. But due to the lock, we need to wait for the
> write process to release the rwsem before we can read it, even if we are
> reading a different region of the file. This could take a lot of time
> when many processes need to write and read this file.
>
> On the other hand, The ext4 filesystem and others do not hold the lock
> during buffered reading, which make the ext4 have better performance in
> that case. Therefore, I think it will be fine if we remove the lock in
> xfs, as most applications can handle this situation.
Nope.
This means that XFS loses high level serialisation of incoming IO
against operations like truncate, fallocate, pnfs operations, etc.
We've been through this multiple times before; the solution lies in
doing the work to make buffered writes use shared locking, not
removing shared locking from buffered reads.
A couple of old discussions from the list:
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-xfs/CAOQ4uxi0pGczXBX7GRAFs88Uw0n1ERJZno3JSeZR71S1dXg+2w@mail.gmail.com/
https://lore.kernel.org/linux-xfs/20190404165737.30889-1-amir73il@gmail.com/
There are likely others - you can search for them yourself to get
more background information.
Fundamentally, though, removing locking from the read side is not
the answer to this buffered write IO exclusion problem....
-Dave.
--
Dave Chinner
david@fromorbit.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-12-26 21:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-12-26 6:16 Chi Zhiling
2024-12-26 21:50 ` Dave Chinner [this message]
2024-12-28 7:37 ` Chi Zhiling
2024-12-28 22:17 ` Dave Chinner
2024-12-30 2:42 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-07 12:13 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-07 17:12 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-08 7:43 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-08 11:33 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-08 11:45 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-08 12:15 ` John Garry
2025-01-09 10:07 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-09 12:40 ` John Garry
2025-01-09 8:37 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-09 10:25 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-09 12:10 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-09 12:25 ` John Garry
2025-01-08 17:35 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-09 23:28 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-10 1:31 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-10 17:07 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-12 10:05 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-13 2:44 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-13 5:59 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-13 13:40 ` Brian Foster
2025-01-13 16:19 ` Darrick J. Wong
2025-01-15 5:55 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-15 21:41 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-16 4:36 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-17 22:20 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-16 14:23 ` Brian Foster
2025-01-17 13:27 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-17 22:19 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-18 13:03 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-01-20 5:11 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-22 6:08 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-22 23:35 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-17 16:12 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-24 7:57 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-27 20:49 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-28 5:15 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-01-28 21:23 ` David Laight
2025-01-29 0:59 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-29 5:20 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-02-10 1:44 ` Chi Zhiling
2025-01-14 0:09 ` Dave Chinner
2025-01-25 8:43 ` Jinliang Zheng
2025-01-25 14:14 ` Amir Goldstein
2025-06-20 14:03 ` Jinliang Zheng
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=Z23Ptl5cAnIiKx6W@dread.disaster.area \
--to=david@fromorbit.com \
--cc=cem@kernel.org \
--cc=chizhiling@163.com \
--cc=chizhiling@kylinos.cn \
--cc=djwong@kernel.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox
Powered by JetHome