* Re: [Lsf-pc] Fwd: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] userspace control of memory management [not found] ` <CAPTztWY49XP-7GDHuvV2fNDCeJzd0vAac6n+rJ9KfWr6cyZ5ww@mail.gmail.com> @ 2023-04-28 14:18 ` Michal Hocko 2023-04-28 14:54 ` Matthew Wilcox 2023-05-04 18:47 ` Hao Luo 0 siblings, 2 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Michal Hocko @ 2023-04-28 14:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Frank van der Linden; +Cc: lsf-pc, linux-mm, LKML For some reason I cannot find this email in my linux-mm inbox and I cannot find it in any archives so let me add linux-mm and lkml again for future reference. On Tue 28-02-23 21:20:57, Frank van der Linden via Lsf-pc wrote: > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Frank van der Linden <fvdl@google.com> > Date: Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 4:15 PM > Subject: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] userspace control of memory management > To: <linux-mm@kvack.org> > > > I propose this discussion topic for LSF/MM/BPF. > > In a world where memory topologies are becoming more complicated, is > it still possible to have an approach where the kernel deals with > memory management to everyone's satisfaction? > > The answer seemingly has been "not quite", since madvise and mempolicy > exist. With things like cxl.mem coming into existence, a heterogeneous > memory setup will become more common. > > The number of madvise options keeps growing. There is now a > process_madvise, and there are proposed extensions for the mempolicy > systemcalls, allowing one process to control the policy of another, as > well. There are exported cgroup interfaces to control reclaim, and > discussions have taken place on explicit control reclaim-as-demotion > to other nodes. > > Is this the right approach? If so, would it be a good idea to > optionally provide BPF hooks to control certain behavior, and let > userspace direct things even more? Is that even possible, > performance-wise? Would it make sense to be able to influence the > MGLRU generation process in a more direct way if needed? > > I think a discussion about these points would be interesting. Or, I > should say, further discussion. > > What do you think? > > Thanks, > > - Frank > _______________________________________________ > Lsf-pc mailing list > Lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lsf-pc -- Michal Hocko SUSE Labs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: [Lsf-pc] Fwd: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] userspace control of memory management 2023-04-28 14:18 ` [Lsf-pc] Fwd: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] userspace control of memory management Michal Hocko @ 2023-04-28 14:54 ` Matthew Wilcox 2023-04-28 17:47 ` Michal Hocko 2023-05-04 18:47 ` Hao Luo 1 sibling, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread From: Matthew Wilcox @ 2023-04-28 14:54 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michal Hocko; +Cc: Frank van der Linden, lsf-pc, linux-mm, LKML On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 04:18:16PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote: > For some reason I cannot find this email in my linux-mm inbox and I > cannot find it in any archives so let me add linux-mm and lkml again for > future reference. Hm, I found it by searching for 'lsf' on lore.kernel.org in the linux-mm archive. https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/CAPTztWYAiroY3E8pwB+rnPGA1K9HLhkpQp1Gy9C1dEuS1FhWGg@mail.gmail.com/ Here are the other topics I found: Eliminate vmap/vmalloc lock contention Reducing direct map fragmentation Stable process Phyrs discussion Live migration over CXL SMDK MM changes for CXL Sunsetting buffer_heads HGM for hugetlbfs Reducing zombie memcgs Swap abstraction / native zswap SLOB/SLAB allocator removal + future SLUB improvements Session for CXL memory Memory profiling using code tagging Cloud storage optimizations Flexible orders for anonymous folios VM Memory Overcommit State of The Page Userspace control of memory management IOMAP conversion status update DAMON Updates and Future Plans Make BPF memory allocator more robust Virtual Machine Memory Passthrough Scalable Pagefaults Single Owner Memory CXL Fabric Manager Architecture Using hardware counters to determine hot/cold pages Sframe: An orc like stack unwinder Mm docs Tracing mapped pages for quicker boot performance (not all of these are the exact titles used by the authors) ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: [Lsf-pc] Fwd: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] userspace control of memory management 2023-04-28 14:54 ` Matthew Wilcox @ 2023-04-28 17:47 ` Michal Hocko 0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Michal Hocko @ 2023-04-28 17:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Matthew Wilcox; +Cc: Frank van der Linden, lsf-pc, linux-mm, LKML On Fri 28-04-23 15:54:31, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 04:18:16PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote: > > For some reason I cannot find this email in my linux-mm inbox and I > > cannot find it in any archives so let me add linux-mm and lkml again for > > future reference. > > Hm, I found it by searching for 'lsf' on lore.kernel.org in the linux-mm > archive. > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/CAPTztWYAiroY3E8pwB+rnPGA1K9HLhkpQp1Gy9C1dEuS1FhWGg@mail.gmail.com/ I have tried to search for the msg-id via lore.kernel.org (https://lore.kernel.org/all/?q=CAPTztWY49XP-7GDHuvV2fNDCeJzd0vAac6n%2BrJ9KfWr6cyZ5ww%40mail.gmail.com) as well as the subject (https://lore.kernel.org/?q=userspace+control+of+memory+management). I've had the email in my lsf-pc mailbox but that is not archived at lore and we are trying to prepare schedule with links to the archive so that people can find associated disucssions easier. > Here are the other topics I found: This matches my list as well > Memory profiling using code tagging Except for this one which somehow escaped my attention. Now added and scheduled. Thanks Matthew! -- Michal Hocko SUSE Labs ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
* Re: [Lsf-pc] Fwd: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] userspace control of memory management 2023-04-28 14:18 ` [Lsf-pc] Fwd: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] userspace control of memory management Michal Hocko 2023-04-28 14:54 ` Matthew Wilcox @ 2023-05-04 18:47 ` Hao Luo 1 sibling, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread From: Hao Luo @ 2023-05-04 18:47 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Michal Hocko Cc: Frank van der Linden, lsf-pc, linux-mm, LKML, bpf, Yu Zhao, Alexei Starovoitov, Song Liu, Daniel Borkmann, Andrii Nakryiko, Martin KaFai Lau On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 7:18 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote: > > For some reason I cannot find this email in my linux-mm inbox and I > cannot find it in any archives so let me add linux-mm and lkml again for > future reference. > > On Tue 28-02-23 21:20:57, Frank van der Linden via Lsf-pc wrote: > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > > From: Frank van der Linden <fvdl@google.com> > > Date: Tue, Feb 28, 2023 at 4:15 PM > > Subject: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] userspace control of memory management > > To: <linux-mm@kvack.org> > > > > > > I propose this discussion topic for LSF/MM/BPF. > > > > In a world where memory topologies are becoming more complicated, is > > it still possible to have an approach where the kernel deals with > > memory management to everyone's satisfaction? > > > > The answer seemingly has been "not quite", since madvise and mempolicy > > exist. With things like cxl.mem coming into existence, a heterogeneous > > memory setup will become more common. > > > > The number of madvise options keeps growing. There is now a > > process_madvise, and there are proposed extensions for the mempolicy > > systemcalls, allowing one process to control the policy of another, as > > well. There are exported cgroup interfaces to control reclaim, and > > discussions have taken place on explicit control reclaim-as-demotion > > to other nodes. > > > > Is this the right approach? If so, would it be a good idea to > > optionally provide BPF hooks to control certain behavior, and let > > userspace direct things even more? Is that even possible, > > performance-wise? Would it make sense to be able to influence the > > MGLRU generation process in a more direct way if needed? > > > > I think a discussion about these points would be interesting. Or, I > > should say, further discussion. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Thanks, > > > > - Frank > > _______________________________________________ Please allow me to cc bpf mailing list for visibility. The idea seems interesting. Hao ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 4+ messages in thread
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