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From: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
To: "Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, Rob Herring <robh@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
	Krzysztof Wilczy??ski <kw@linux.com>,
	Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/17] PCI: Add concurrency safe clear_and_set variants for LNKCTL{,2}
Date: Mon, 15 May 2023 13:28:22 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZGJ5xhWqxOc7vHjZ@bhelgaas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2832e4a-8ef5-8695-3ca2-2b2f287a44d@linux.intel.com>

On Mon, May 15, 2023 at 02:59:42PM +0300, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
> On Sun, 14 May 2023, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> > On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 11:25:32AM +0300, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
> > > On Thu, 11 May 2023, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> > > > On Thu, May 11, 2023 at 10:55:06AM -0500, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> > > > > I didn't see the prior discussion with Lukas, so maybe this was
> > > > > answered there, but is there any reason not to add locking to
> > > > > pcie_capability_clear_and_set_word() and friends directly?
> > > > > 
> > > > > It would be nice to avoid having to decide whether to use the locked
> > > > > or unlocked versions.
> > > > 
> > > > I think we definitely want to also offer lockless accessors which
> > > > can be used in hotpaths such as interrupt handlers if the accessed
> > > > registers don't need any locking (e.g. because there are no concurrent
> > > > accesses).
> > > > ...

> All PCI_EXP_SLTSTA ones looked not real RMW but ACK bits type of writes

PCI_EXP_SLTSTA, PCI_EXP_LNKSTA, etc are typically RW1C and do not need
the usual RMW locking (which I think is what you were saying).

> > ...
> > What I think is unnecessary and counterproductive is to add wholesale
> > locking of any access to the PCI Express Capability Structure.
> > 
> > It's fine to have a single spinlock, but I'd suggest only using it
> > for registers which are actually accessed concurrently by multiple
> > places in the kernel.
> 
> While it does feel entirely unnecessary layer of complexity to me, it would 
> be possible to rename the original pcie_capability_clear_and_set_word() to 
> pcie_capability_clear_and_set_word_unlocked() and add this into 
> include/linux/pci.h:
> 
> static inline int pcie_capability_clear_and_set_word(struct pci_dev *dev,
> 					int pos, u16 clear, u16 set)
> {
> 	if (pos == PCI_EXP_LNKCTL || pos == PCI_EXP_LNKCTL2 ||
> 	    pos == PCI_EXP_RTCTL)
> 		pcie_capability_clear_and_set_word_locked(...);
> 	else
> 		pcie_capability_clear_and_set_word_unlocked(...);
> }
> 
> It would keep the interface exactly the same but protect only a selectable 
> set of registers. As pos is always a constant, the compiler should be able 
> to optimize all the dead code away.
> 
> Would that be ok then?

Sounds like you have a pretty strong opinion, Lukas, but I guess I
don't really understand the value of having locked and unlocked
variants of RMW accessors.  Config accesses are relatively slow and I
don't think they're used in performance-sensitive paths.  I would
expect the lock to be uncontended and cheap relative to the config
access itself, but I have no actual numbers to back up my speculation.
Is the performance win worth the extra complexity in callers?

Bjorn

  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-15 18:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-05-11 13:14 [PATCH 00/17] PCI: Improve LNKCTL & LNKCTL2 concurrency control Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 01/17] PCI: Add concurrency safe clear_and_set variants for LNKCTL{,2} Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 15:55   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-05-11 17:35     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 19:22       ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-05-11 19:58         ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 20:07           ` Lukas Wunner
2023-05-11 20:28             ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 22:21               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-05-11 21:27           ` Bjorn Helgaas
2023-05-11 20:23     ` Lukas Wunner
2023-05-12  8:25       ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-14 10:10         ` Lukas Wunner
2023-05-15 11:59           ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-15 18:28             ` Bjorn Helgaas [this message]
2023-05-15 22:12             ` Lukas Wunner
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 02/17] PCI: pciehp: Protect LNKCTL changes Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 03/17] PCI/ASPM: Use pcie_lnkctl_clear_and_set() Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 04/17] drm/amdgpu: Use pcie_lnkctl{,2}_clear_and_set() for changing LNKCTL{,2} Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 05/17] drm/radeon: " Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 06/17] IB/hfi1: " Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 15:19   ` Dean Luick
2023-05-11 20:02     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 07/17] e1000e: Use pcie_lnkctl_clear_and_set() for changing LNKCTL Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 08/17] net/mlx5: " Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 09/17] wifi: ath9k: " Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 10/17] mt76: " Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 11/17] Bluetooth: hci_bcm4377: " Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 12/17] misc: rtsx: " Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 13/17] net/tg3: " Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 14/17] r8169: " Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 19:49   ` Heiner Kallweit
2023-05-11 20:00     ` Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 20:10       ` Lukas Wunner
2023-05-11 20:11         ` Heiner Kallweit
2023-05-11 20:02     ` Lukas Wunner
2023-05-11 20:17       ` Heiner Kallweit
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 15/17] wifi: ath11k: " Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 16/17] wifi: ath12k: " Ilpo Järvinen
2023-05-11 13:14 ` [PATCH 17/17] wifi: ath10k: " Ilpo Järvinen

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