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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: Daniel Thompson <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>
Cc: Douglas Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@linaro.org>,
	Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, ito-yuichi@fujitsu.com,
	Chen-Yu Tsai <wens@csie.org>, Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	Stephen Boyd <swboyd@chromium.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	kgdb-bugreport@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Masayoshi Mizuma <msys.mizuma@gmail.com>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Lecopzer Chen <lecopzer.chen@mediatek.com>,
	Wei Li <liwei391@huawei.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 7/7] arm64: kgdb: Roundup cpus using the debug IPI
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2023 17:04:14 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZNEV_mz4VU1HyBc9@FVFF77S0Q05N.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230807152444.GA375529@aspen.lan>

On Mon, Aug 07, 2023 at 04:24:44PM +0100, Daniel Thompson wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 07, 2023 at 11:28:52AM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 01, 2023 at 02:31:51PM -0700, Douglas Anderson wrote:
> > > From: Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@linaro.org>
> > >
> > > Let's use the debug IPI for rounding up CPUs in kgdb. When the debug
> > > IPI is backed by an NMI (or pseudo NMI) then this will let us debug
> > > even hard locked CPUs. When the debug IPI isn't backed by an NMI then
> > > this won't really have any huge benefit but it will still work.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@linaro.org>
> > > Signed-off-by: Douglas Anderson <dianders@chromium.org>
> > > ---
> > >
> > > Changes in v9:
> > > - Remove fallback for when debug IPI isn't available.
> > > - Renamed "NMI IPI" to "debug IPI" since it might not be backed by NMI.
> > >
> > >  arch/arm64/kernel/ipi_debug.c |  5 +++++
> > >  arch/arm64/kernel/kgdb.c      | 14 ++++++++++++++
> > >  2 files changed, 19 insertions(+)
> >
> > This looks fine to me, but I'd feel a bit happier if we had separate SGIs for
> > the backtrace and the KGDB callback as they're logically unrelated.
> 
> I've no objections to seperate SGIs (if one can be found) but I'm curious
> what benefit emerges from giving them seperate IPIs.

Mostly an "I'd feel happier"; they're logically unrelated and having them
separate avoids the risk of them unintentionally getting in the way of the
other.

> Both interfaces are already designed to share and NMI-like IPI nicely
> (and IIUC they must share one on x86), neither is performance
> critical[1] and the content of /proc/interrupts for the IPI is seldom
> going to be of much interest.

Sure; I understand that. The flip side of "neither is performance critical" is
that they're seldom tested in terms of interaction with one another, and hence
for robustness I'd prefer they're separate.

I agree it's not strictly necessary, but given we can easily free up an SGI
slot, I think it'd be worthwhile. We can always decide to fold them together in
future if we have to.

I realise a similar argument could be applied to IPI_WAKEUP and IPI_RESCHEDULE,
but given that IPI_RESCHEDULE happens *all the time* and the wakeup handler
does literally nothing, I think the risk there is substantially lower.

Thanks,
Mark.

> As mentioned it is perfectly OK to separate them if there is space in
> the SGI allocations. However if any two functions are good candidates to
> share a scarce resource such as an SGI then it is these!
> 
> 
> Daniel.
> 
> 
> [1] In both cases their results are only required at human-scale
>     and the work of the both handlers is hugely more expensive than
>     either up front quick-check.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-07 16:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-01 21:31 [PATCH v9 0/7] arm64: Add debug IPI for backtraces / kgdb; try to use NMI for it Douglas Anderson
2023-06-01 21:31 ` [PATCH v9 1/7] irqchip/gic-v3: Enable support for SGIs to act as NMIs Douglas Anderson
2023-08-07  9:50   ` Mark Rutland
2023-08-07 11:22     ` Sumit Garg
2023-08-07 13:25       ` Mark Rutland
2023-06-01 21:31 ` [PATCH v9 2/7] arm64: idle: Tag the arm64 idle functions as __cpuidle Douglas Anderson
2023-08-07  9:52   ` Mark Rutland
2023-06-01 21:31 ` [PATCH v9 3/7] arm64: Add framework for a debug IPI Douglas Anderson
2023-08-07 10:12   ` Mark Rutland
2023-08-21 22:16     ` Doug Anderson
2023-08-22  6:42       ` Mark Rutland
2023-06-01 21:31 ` [PATCH v9 4/7] arm64: smp: Assign and setup the " Douglas Anderson
2023-08-07 10:17   ` Mark Rutland
2023-06-01 21:31 ` [PATCH v9 5/7] arm64: ipi_debug: Add support for backtrace using " Douglas Anderson
2023-08-07 10:23   ` Mark Rutland
2023-08-22  0:06     ` Doug Anderson
2023-08-22  6:35       ` Mark Rutland
2023-06-01 21:31 ` [PATCH v9 6/7] kgdb: Provide a stub kgdb_nmicallback() if !CONFIG_KGDB Douglas Anderson
2023-06-15 18:14   ` Doug Anderson
2023-06-26 14:30     ` Daniel Thompson
2023-08-07 10:27   ` Mark Rutland
2023-08-07 10:29     ` Mark Rutland
2023-06-01 21:31 ` [PATCH v9 7/7] arm64: kgdb: Roundup cpus using the debug IPI Douglas Anderson
2023-08-07 10:28   ` Mark Rutland
2023-08-07 10:47     ` Marc Zyngier
2023-08-07 10:54       ` Mark Rutland
2023-08-07 11:08         ` Marc Zyngier
2023-08-07 11:13           ` Mark Rutland
2023-08-07 15:24     ` Daniel Thompson
2023-08-07 16:04       ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2023-08-08 11:17         ` Daniel Thompson
2023-06-02  5:19 ` [PATCH v9 0/7] arm64: Add debug IPI for backtraces / kgdb; try to use NMI for it Sumit Garg
2023-07-24 15:55 ` Doug Anderson
2023-08-07 10:41   ` Mark Rutland
2023-08-07 12:46     ` Sumit Garg
2023-08-07 14:43       ` Mark Rutland

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