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From: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
To: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH printk v2 12/18] printk: Add kthread for all legacy consoles
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 16:50:21 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZoLCLfcIjQ6FbgR0@pathway.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877ce9xim6.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de>

On Fri 2024-06-28 16:17:13, John Ogness wrote:
> On 2024-06-28, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
> > On Fri 2024-06-28 14:28:47, John Ogness wrote:
> >> On 2024-06-28, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
> >> >> @@ -1494,7 +1508,9 @@ void nbcon_cpu_emergency_exit(void)
> >> >>  		 * to handle it.
> >> >>  		 */
> >> >>  		do_trigger_flush = true;
> >> >> -		if (printing_via_unlock && !is_printk_deferred()) {
> >> >> +		if (!force_printkthreads() &&
> >> >
> >> > Is this correct? We still need to flush the messages directly
> >> > when the legacy kthread is not ready yet.
> >> 
> >> No! If force_printkthreads() is set, messages will never flush directly
> >> except for console_flush_on_panic().
> >
> > But this is an _emergency_ context! This would be inconsistent with
> > the nbcon consoles where the messages are flushed directly.
> >
> > Is RT sheduling quaranteed when the system reached emergency state?
> 
> No.
> 
> > In fact, we probably should not check force_printkthreads() here at
> > all. It would be only for NBCON_PRIO_NORMAL context.
> 
> On PREEMPT_RT, legacy consoles are not allowed to print from
> non-preemptible contexts because they use spinlocks (rtmutexes).

Ah, I see.

> This is a disadvantage for legacy consoles on PREEMPT_RT. If people want
> a legacy console to gain the reliability attribute on PREEMPT_RT, then
> that console _must_ be converted to nbcon.

Makes sense.

Thanks a lot for explanation.

Best Regards,
Petr

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-01 14:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-03 23:24 [PATCH printk v2 00/18] add threaded printing + the rest John Ogness
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 01/18] printk: Add function to replay kernel log on consoles John Ogness
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 02/18] tty/sysrq: Replay kernel log messages on consoles via sysrq John Ogness
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 03/18] printk: Rename console_replay_all() and update context John Ogness
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 04/18] printk: nbcon: Introduce printing kthreads John Ogness
2024-06-07 13:17   ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-10 12:09     ` John Ogness
2024-06-11 14:51       ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-12  8:51         ` John Ogness
2024-06-12  9:24           ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-12 11:18             ` John Ogness
2024-06-12 11:33               ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-13 15:21           ` John Ogness
2024-06-14  7:40             ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 05/18] printk: Atomic print in printk context on shutdown John Ogness
2024-06-13 12:32   ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-13 12:44   ` atomic_flush vs boot consoles - was: " Petr Mladek
2024-06-13 12:52     ` [PATCH] printk: nbcon_atomic_flush_pending() is safe only when there is no boot console Petr Mladek
2024-06-13 15:10       ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-25 20:53       ` John Ogness
2024-06-28 15:51         ` how to flush consoles: was: " Petr Mladek
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 06/18] printk: nbcon: Add context to console_is_usable() John Ogness
2024-06-13 13:22   ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 07/18] printk: nbcon: Add printer thread wakeups John Ogness
2024-06-13 15:08   ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 08/18] printk: nbcon: Stop threads on shutdown/reboot John Ogness
2024-06-17 15:21   ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-25 19:56     ` John Ogness
2024-06-26 12:14       ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 09/18] printk: nbcon: Start printing threads John Ogness
2024-06-18 15:34   ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-19 15:13     ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 10/18] printk: Provide helper for message prepending John Ogness
2024-06-20 10:28   ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 11/18] printk: nbcon: Show replay message on takeover John Ogness
2024-06-20 13:02   ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 12/18] printk: Add kthread for all legacy consoles John Ogness
2024-06-28 11:46   ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-28 12:22     ` John Ogness
2024-06-28 13:32       ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-28 14:11         ` John Ogness
2024-06-28 15:56           ` John Ogness
2024-07-01 15:33             ` Petr Mladek
2024-07-01 21:01               ` John Ogness
2024-07-02  9:11                 ` Petr Mladek
2024-07-01 14:50           ` Petr Mladek [this message]
2024-07-02  9:30             ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 13/18] proc: consoles: Add notation to c_start/c_stop John Ogness
2024-07-01 15:43   ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 14/18] proc: Add nbcon support for /proc/consoles John Ogness
2024-07-01 15:47   ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 15/18] tty: sysfs: Add nbcon support for 'active' John Ogness
2024-06-04 11:48   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-07-01 15:50   ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 16/18] printk: Provide threadprintk boot argument John Ogness
2024-07-02 12:12   ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 17/18] printk: Avoid false positive lockdep report for legacy printing John Ogness
2024-07-02 13:26   ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-03 23:24 ` [PATCH printk v2 18/18] printk: nbcon: Add function for printers to reacquire ownership John Ogness
2024-07-02 14:31   ` Petr Mladek
2024-06-04 13:31 ` [PATCH printk v2 00/18] add threaded printing + the rest Juri Lelli
2024-06-05  8:09   ` John Ogness
2024-06-05  9:32     ` Juri Lelli

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