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From: Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>
Cc: Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Qais Yousef <qyousef@layalina.io>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Aboorva Devarajan <aboorvad@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] sched: idle: Consolidate the handling of two special cases
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2026 15:45:38 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a102eb05-9051-43bb-9f25-accf71498f6a@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0grtJVtj7oGDRJ=gyWVs6VnGcydOURJ5aDfE6qVn8nkXg@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/13/26 15:28, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2026 at 3:04 PM Christian Loehle
> <christian.loehle@arm.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 3/13/26 13:07, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2026 at 1:53 PM Christian Loehle
>>> <christian.loehle@arm.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 3/13/26 12:25, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
>>>>> From: Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> There are two special cases in the idle loop that are handled
>>>>> inconsistently even though they are analogous.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first one is when a cpuidle driver is absent and the default CPU
>>>>> idle time power management implemented by the architecture code is used.
>>>>> In that case, the scheduler tick is stopped every time before invoking
>>>>> default_idle_call().
>>>>>
>>>>> The second one is when a cpuidle driver is present, but there is only
>>>>> one idle state in its table.  In that case, the scheduler tick is never
>>>>> stopped.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since each of these approaches leads to suboptimal choices in some
>>>>> cases, reconcile them with the help of one simple heuristic.  Namely,
>>>>> stop the tick if the CPU has been woken up by it in the previous
>>>>> iteration of the idle loop, or let it tick otherwise.>
>>>>> Signed-off-by: Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>
>>>>> Based on today's mainline.
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>>  kernel/sched/idle.c |   30 +++++++++++++++++++++---------
>>>>>  1 file changed, 21 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-)
>>>>>
>>>>> --- a/kernel/sched/idle.c
>>>>> +++ b/kernel/sched/idle.c
>>>>> @@ -161,6 +161,14 @@ static int call_cpuidle(struct cpuidle_d
>>>>>       return cpuidle_enter(drv, dev, next_state);
>>>>>  }
>>>>>
>>>>> +static void idle_call_stop_or_retain_tick(bool stop_tick)
>>>>> +{
>>>>> +     if (stop_tick || tick_nohz_tick_stopped())
>>>>> +             tick_nohz_idle_stop_tick();
>>>>> +     else
>>>>> +             tick_nohz_idle_retain_tick();
>>>>> +}
>>>>> +
>>>>>  /**
>>>>>   * cpuidle_idle_call - the main idle function
>>>>>   *
>>>>> @@ -170,7 +178,7 @@ static int call_cpuidle(struct cpuidle_d
>>>>>   * set, and it returns with polling set.  If it ever stops polling, it
>>>>>   * must clear the polling bit.
>>>>>   */
>>>>> -static void cpuidle_idle_call(void)
>>>>> +static void cpuidle_idle_call(bool stop_tick)
>>>>>  {
>>>>>       struct cpuidle_device *dev = cpuidle_get_device();
>>>>>       struct cpuidle_driver *drv = cpuidle_get_cpu_driver(dev);
>>>>> @@ -186,7 +194,7 @@ static void cpuidle_idle_call(void)
>>>>>       }
>>>>>
>>>>>       if (cpuidle_not_available(drv, dev)) {
>>>>> -             tick_nohz_idle_stop_tick();
>>>>> +             idle_call_stop_or_retain_tick(stop_tick);
>>>>>
>>>>>               default_idle_call();
>>>>>               goto exit_idle;
>>>>> @@ -222,17 +230,19 @@ static void cpuidle_idle_call(void)
>>>>>               next_state = cpuidle_find_deepest_state(drv, dev, max_latency_ns);
>>>>>               call_cpuidle(drv, dev, next_state);
>>>>>       } else if (drv->state_count > 1) {
>>>>> -             bool stop_tick = true;
>>>>> +             /*
>>>>> +              * stop_tick is expected to be true by default by cpuidle
>>>>> +              * governors, which allows them to select idle states with
>>>>> +              * target residency above the tick period length.
>>>>> +              */
>>>>> +             stop_tick = true;
>>>>>
>>>>>               /*
>>>>>                * Ask the cpuidle framework to choose a convenient idle state.
>>>>>                */
>>>>>               next_state = cpuidle_select(drv, dev, &stop_tick);
>>>>>
>>>>> -             if (stop_tick || tick_nohz_tick_stopped())
>>>>> -                     tick_nohz_idle_stop_tick();
>>>>> -             else
>>>>> -                     tick_nohz_idle_retain_tick();
>>>>> +             idle_call_stop_or_retain_tick(stop_tick);
>>>>>
>>>>>               entered_state = call_cpuidle(drv, dev, next_state);
>>>>>               /*
>>>>> @@ -240,7 +250,7 @@ static void cpuidle_idle_call(void)
>>>>>                */
>>>>>               cpuidle_reflect(dev, entered_state);
>>>>>       } else {
>>>>> -             tick_nohz_idle_retain_tick();
>>>>> +             idle_call_stop_or_retain_tick(stop_tick);
>>>>
>>>> This would supersede e5c9ffc6ae1b ("cpuidle: Skip governor when only one idle state is available")
>>>> so we should remove that code too.
>>>
>>> Which code?  Do you mean the one that has been removed by
>>>
>>> https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=d557640e4ce589a24dca5ca7ce3b9680f471325f
>>>
>> Ah of course, sorry!
> 
> No worries.
> 
>> Reviewed-by: Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>
> 
> So should I regard this as a fix for 7.0?
> 
> I guess so because I don't think it would be useful to ship 7.0
> without it only to change the behavior immediately in 7.1.  And I
> think that it can be treated as a fix for e5c9ffc6ae1b (above).

Yes I think it being a fix for e5c9ffc6ae1b should be fine (fingers crossed).

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-13 15:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-13 12:25 Rafael J. Wysocki
2026-03-13 12:53 ` Christian Loehle
2026-03-13 13:07   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2026-03-13 14:03     ` Christian Loehle
2026-03-13 15:28       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2026-03-13 15:45         ` Christian Loehle [this message]
2026-03-14 11:30           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2026-03-13 14:34 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-03-13 15:22 ` Qais Yousef
2026-03-16  7:54 ` Aboorva Devarajan

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