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From: Rodolfo Giometti <giometti@enneenne.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>,
	Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew+netdev@lunn.ch>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>, Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>,
	John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	Alexander Gordeev <agordeev@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/4] pps: Drop the !NO_HZ_COMMON dependency from NTP_PPS
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2026 14:57:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a2db0e1b-0796-499d-ba9c-dff749f9dc1d@enneenne.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3f15c68bce92c57821fba53c80aed7fce13cf8c0.camel@infradead.org>

Hi David,

On 30/09/2026 03:28, David Woodhouse wrote:
> Ok, I have the series in the shape I want to test it now. I got caught
> up in more side quests around minimising ntp_error, which aren't
> *strictly* around hardpps or snapshots at all but it was annoying me.
>
> https://git.infradead.org/?p=users/dwmw2/linux.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/timekeeping
> now has:
>
>  • timekeeping: Allow tick_length changes to apply mid-tick
>    (reduce a fairly gratuitous cause of ntp_error accumulation, when
>     we *account* for a rate change before it actually takes effect)
>
>  • timekeeping: Apply extrapolated ntp_error to clock snapshots
>    (you know this one; as discussed maybe it'll shift to later)
>
>  • timekeeping: Bound idle sleep while a phase slew is in flight
>    (even standard adjtime() was hosed for tickless and would keep
>     applying 500µs/s skew the whole time the system slept)
>
>  • timekeeping: Reinstate proportional correction of ntp_error
>    (because once I fix the above, we *can*)
>
>  • ntp: Recalculate skew_delta when the phase offset changes
>    (another gratuitous cause of ntp_error accumulation. If time_offset
>     goes away *while* we're skewing towards it, the continued skew
>     for the rest of the second is unwanted and goes to ntp_error.
>     Just... stop skewing!)
>
>  • arm64: Support inlined clocksource reads for the arch counter
>    (this seems like an oversight)
>
>  • timekeeping: Read the counter as early as possible in ktime_get_snapshot_id()
>    (as I said, those 20ns are in the noise... but you can have them
>     back anyway)
>
>  • pps: Drop the !NO_HZ_COMMON dependency from NTP_PPS
>    (Really, it isn't needed. This is working)
>
>  • pps: Always use ktime_get_snapshot_id() for pps_get_ts()
>    (I think I mostly eliminated ntp_error as a significant source of
>     discrepancies now, but this is still the right thing to do for
>     precision)

As you suggested on the 28th, wouldn't it be better to move "pps: Always
use ktime_get_snapshot_id() for pps_get_ts()" before "timekeeping: Apply
extrapolated ntp_error to clock snapshots"? So the PPS patch has no
visible effect on ts_real, and the change stays in the timekeeping
patch, where the chrony and ntpd people can judge it.

Ciao,

Rodolfo

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-30 12:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-29 20:56 [PATCH v4 0/4] Add ntp_error to clock snapshot, enable NTP_PPS on tickless kernel David Woodhouse
2026-08-29 20:56 ` [PATCH v4 1/4] timekeeping: Apply extrapolated ntp_error to clock snapshots David Woodhouse
2026-08-29 20:57 ` [PATCH v4 2/4] pps: Drop the !NO_HZ_COMMON dependency from NTP_PPS David Woodhouse
2026-09-01 15:35   ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-02  0:13     ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-28 13:37     ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-28 16:41       ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-28 19:28         ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-29  6:33           ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-29  9:32             ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-29 11:48               ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-29 12:02                 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-30  1:28                 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-30 12:57                   ` Rodolfo Giometti [this message]
2026-09-30 10:37                 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-30 12:57                   ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-30 14:05                     ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-30 18:24                       ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-29 20:57 ` [PATCH v4 3/4] pps: Always use ktime_get_snapshot_id() for pps_get_ts() David Woodhouse
2026-09-01 15:35   ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-01 23:56     ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-26 20:38     ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-28  7:58       ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-28 12:59         ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-28 16:41           ` Rodolfo Giometti
2026-08-29 20:57 ` [PATCH v4 4/4] [DO NOT MERGE] ptp: ptp_vmclock: Add simulated 1PPS support David Woodhouse
2026-09-01 15:35 ` [PATCH v4 0/4] Add ntp_error to clock snapshot, enable NTP_PPS on tickless kernel Rodolfo Giometti
2026-09-01 23:37   ` David Woodhouse

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