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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>, Wei Liu <wei.liu@kernel.org>,
	 Dexuan Cui <decui@microsoft.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	 "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	x86@kernel.org,  Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Heiko Carstens <hca@linux.ibm.com>,
	 Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	Sven Schnelle <svens@linux.ibm.com>,
	 Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
	Paul Walmsley <paul.walmsley@sifive.com>,
	 Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@dabbelt.com>
Subject: Re: [patch V2 07/37] rseq, virt: Retrigger RSEQ after vcpu_run()
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2025 13:24:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aKzGZjyEQq3u-M68@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d8c69b7a-43ca-41b7-af8a-6eb1772c55a4@efficios.com>

On Mon, Aug 25, 2025, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> On 2025-08-23 12:39, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> > Hypervisors invoke resume_user_mode_work() before entering the guest, which
> > clears TIF_NOTIFY_RESUME. The @regs argument is NULL as there is no user
> > space context available to them, so the rseq notify handler skips
> > inspecting the critical section, but updates the CPU/MM CID values
> > unconditionally so that the eventual pending rseq event is not lost on the
> > way to user space.
> > 
> > This is a pointless exercise as the task might be rescheduled before
> > actually returning to user space and it creates unnecessary work in the
> > vcpu_run() loops.
> 
> One question here: AFAIU, this removes the updates to the cpu_id_start,
> cpu_id, mm_cid, and node_id fields on exit to virt usermode. This means
> that while the virt guest is running in usermode, the host hypervisor
> process has stale rseq fields, until it eventually returns to the
> hypervisor's host userspace (from ioctl).
> 
> Considering the rseq uapi documentation, this should not matter.
> Each of those fields have this statement:
> 
> "This field should only be read by the thread which registered this data
> structure."
> 
> I can however think of use-cases for reading the rseq fields from other
> hypervisor threads to figure out information about thread placement.
> Doing so would however go against the documented uapi.
> 
> I'd rather ask whether anyone is misusing this uapi in that way before
> going ahead with the change, just to prevent surprises.
> 
> I'm OK with the re-trigger of rseq, as it does indeed appear to fix
> an issue, but I'm concerned about the ABI impact of skipping the
> rseq_update_cpu_node_id() on return to virt userspace.
> 
> Thoughts ?

I know the idea of exposing rseq to paravirtualized guests has been floated (more
than once), but I don't _think_ anyone has actually shipped anything of that 
nature.

> > @@ -49,6 +49,7 @@
> >   #include <linux/lockdep.h>
> >   #include <linux/kthread.h>
> >   #include <linux/suspend.h>
> > +#include <linux/rseq.h>
> >   #include <asm/processor.h>
> >   #include <asm/ioctl.h>
> > @@ -4466,6 +4467,8 @@ static long kvm_vcpu_ioctl(struct file *
> >   		r = kvm_arch_vcpu_ioctl_run(vcpu);
> >   		vcpu->wants_to_run = false;
> > +		rseq_virt_userspace_exit();

I don't love bleeding even more entry/rseq details into KVM.  Rather than optimize
KVM and then add TIF_RSEQ, what if we do the opposite?  I.e. add TIF_RSEQ to
XFER_TO_GUEST_MODE_WORK as part of "rseq: Switch to TIF_RSEQ if supported", and
then drop TIF_RSEQ from XFER_TO_GUEST_MODE_WORK in a new patch?

That should make it easier to revert the KVM/virt change if it turns out PV setups
are playing games with rseq, and it would give the stragglers (arm64 in particular)
some motiviation to implement TIF_RSEQ and/or switch to generic TIF bits.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-25 20:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-23 16:39 [patch V2 00/37] rseq: Optimize exit to user space Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 01/37] rseq: Avoid pointless evaluation in __rseq_notify_resume() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 15:39   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 02/37] rseq: Condense the inline stubs Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 15:40   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 03/37] resq: Move algorithm comment to top Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 15:41   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 04/37] rseq: Remove the ksig argument from rseq_handle_notify_resume() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 15:43   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 05/37] rseq: Simplify registration Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 15:44   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 06/37] rseq: Simplify the event notification Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 17:36   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-09-02 13:39     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-04 17:19       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 07/37] rseq, virt: Retrigger RSEQ after vcpu_run() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 17:54   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-25 20:24     ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2025-09-02 15:37       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 08/37] rseq: Avoid CPU/MM CID updates when no event pending Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 18:02   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-09-02 13:41     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-04 17:20       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 09/37] rseq: Introduce struct rseq_event Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 18:11   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-09-02 13:45     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 10/37] entry: Cleanup header Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 18:13   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 11/37] entry: Remove syscall_enter_from_user_mode_prepare() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 12/37] entry: Inline irqentry_enter/exit_from/to_user_mode() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 13/37] sched: Move MM CID related functions to sched.h Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 18:14   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 14/37] rseq: Cache CPU ID and MM CID values Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 18:19   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-09-02 13:48     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-04 17:21       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 15/37] rseq: Record interrupt from user space Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 18:29   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-09-02 13:54     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 16/37] rseq: Provide tracepoint wrappers for inline code Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 18:32   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 17/37] rseq: Expose lightweight statistics in debugfs Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 18:34   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 18/37] rseq: Provide static branch for runtime debugging Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 18:36   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-25 20:30   ` Michael Jeanson
2025-09-02 13:56     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 19/37] rseq: Provide and use rseq_update_user_cs() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 19:16   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-09-02 15:19     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 20/37] rseq: Replace the debug crud Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-26 14:21   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:39 ` [patch V2 21/37] rseq: Make exit debugging static branch based Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-26 14:23   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:40 ` [patch V2 22/37] rseq: Use static branch for syscall exit debug when GENERIC_IRQ_ENTRY=y Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-26 14:28   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:40 ` [patch V2 23/37] rseq: Provide and use rseq_set_uids() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-26 14:52   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-09-02 14:08     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-02 16:33       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-04 17:25         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:40 ` [patch V2 24/37] rseq: Seperate the signal delivery path Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-26 15:08   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:40 ` [patch V2 25/37] rseq: Rework the TIF_NOTIFY handler Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-26 15:12   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-09-02 17:32     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-04  9:52       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-04 10:53         ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-04 17:07           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:40 ` [patch V2 26/37] rseq: Optimize event setting Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-26 15:26   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-09-02 14:17     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-23 16:40 ` [patch V2 27/37] rseq: Implement fast path for exit to user Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-26 15:33   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-09-02 18:31     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-23 16:40 ` [patch V2 28/37] rseq: Switch to fast path processing on " Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-26 15:40   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-27 13:45     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-09-02 18:36       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-04 17:54         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-09-04 21:31           ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-23 16:40 ` [patch V2 29/37] entry: Split up exit_to_user_mode_prepare() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-26 15:41   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:40 ` [patch V2 30/37] rseq: Split up rseq_exit_to_user_mode() Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-26 15:45   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:40 ` [patch V2 31/37] asm-generic: Provide generic TIF infrastructure Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-23 20:37   ` Arnd Bergmann
2025-08-25 19:33   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:40 ` [patch V2 32/37] x86: Use generic TIF bits Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 19:34   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-23 16:40 ` [patch V2 33/37] s390: " Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-23 16:40 ` [patch V2 34/37] loongarch: " Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-23 16:40 ` [patch V2 35/37] riscv: " Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-23 16:40 ` [patch V2 36/37] rseq: Switch to TIF_RSEQ if supported Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 19:39   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-25 20:02   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-02 11:03     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-09-04 10:08       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-09-04 12:26         ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-23 16:40 ` [patch V2 37/37] entry/rseq: Optimize for TIF_RSEQ on exit Thomas Gleixner
2025-08-25 19:43   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-08-25 15:10 ` [patch V2 00/37] rseq: Optimize exit to user space Mathieu Desnoyers

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