From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>
Cc: David Vernet <void@manifault.com>,
Changwoo Min <changwoo@igalia.com>,
Emil Tsalapatis <emil@etsalapatis.com>,
Daniel Hodges <hodgesd@meta.com>,
sched-ext@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] sched_ext: Fix ops.dequeue() semantics
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2025 07:19:46 -1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aVFmstVjLW_QIQis@slm.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251219224450.2537941-2-arighi@nvidia.com>
Hello, Andrea.
On Fri, Dec 19, 2025 at 11:43:14PM +0100, Andrea Righi wrote:
...
> + Once ``ops.enqueue()`` is called, the task is considered "enqueued" and
> + is owned by the BPF scheduler. Ownership is retained until the task is
> + either dispatched (moved to a local DSQ for execution) or dequeued
> + (removed from the scheduler due to a blocking event, or to modify a
> + property, like CPU affinity, priority, etc.). When the task leaves the
> + BPF scheduler ``ops.dequeue()`` is invoked.
> +
> + **Important**: ``ops.dequeue()`` is called for *any* enqueued task,
> + regardless of whether the task is still on a BPF data structure, or it
> + is already dispatched to a DSQ (global, local, or user DSQ)
> +
> + This guarantees that every ``ops.enqueue()`` will eventually be followed
> + by a ``ops.dequeue()``. This makes it reliable for BPF schedulers to
> + track task ownership and maintain accurate accounting, such as per-DSQ
> + queued runtime sums.
While this works, from the BPF sched's POV, there's no way to tell whether
an ops.dequeue() call is from the task being actually dequeued or the
follow-up to the dispatch operation it just did. This won't make much
difference if ops.dequeue() is just used for accounting purposes, but, a
scheduler which uses an arena data structure for queueing would likely need
to perform extra tests to tell whether the task needs to be dequeued from
the arena side. I *think* hot path (ops.dequeue() following the task's
dispatch) can be a simple lockless test, so this may be okay, but from API
POV, it can probably be better.
The counter interlocking point is scx_bpf_dsq_insert(). If we can
synchronize scx_bpf_dsq_insert() and dequeue so that ops.dequeue() is not
called for a successfully inserted task, I think the semantics would be
neater - an enqueued task is either dispatched or dequeued. Due to the async
dispatch operation, this likely is difficult to do without adding extra sync
operations in scx_bpf_dsq_insert(). However, I *think* we may be able to get
rid of dspc and async inserting if we call ops.dispatch() w/ rq lock
dropped. That may make the whole dispatch path simpler and the behavior
neater too. What do you think?
Thanks.
--
tejun
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-28 17:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-12-19 22:43 [PATCH 0/2] sched_ext: Implement proper " Andrea Righi
2025-12-19 22:43 ` [PATCH 1/2] sched_ext: Fix " Andrea Righi
2025-12-28 3:20 ` Emil Tsalapatis
2025-12-29 16:36 ` Andrea Righi
2025-12-29 18:35 ` Emil Tsalapatis
2025-12-28 17:19 ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2025-12-28 23:28 ` Tejun Heo
2025-12-28 23:38 ` Tejun Heo
2025-12-29 17:07 ` Andrea Righi
2025-12-29 18:55 ` Emil Tsalapatis
2025-12-28 23:42 ` Tejun Heo
2025-12-29 17:17 ` Andrea Righi
2025-12-29 0:06 ` Tejun Heo
2025-12-29 18:56 ` Andrea Righi
2025-12-19 22:43 ` [PATCH 2/2] selftests/sched_ext: Add test to validate ops.dequeue() Andrea Righi
2025-12-28 3:28 ` Emil Tsalapatis
2025-12-29 16:11 ` Andrea Righi
2026-01-21 12:25 [PATCHSET v2 sched_ext/for-6.20] sched_ext: Fix ops.dequeue() semantics Andrea Righi
2026-01-21 12:25 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Andrea Righi
2026-01-21 12:54 ` Christian Loehle
2026-01-21 12:57 ` Andrea Righi
2026-01-22 9:28 ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-01-23 13:32 ` Andrea Righi
2026-01-26 8:41 [PATCHSET v3 sched_ext/for-6.20] " Andrea Righi
2026-01-26 8:41 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Andrea Righi
2026-01-27 16:38 ` Emil Tsalapatis
2026-01-27 16:41 ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-01-30 7:34 ` Andrea Righi
2026-01-30 13:14 ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-01-31 6:54 ` Andrea Righi
2026-01-31 16:45 ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-01-31 17:24 ` Andrea Righi
2026-01-28 21:21 ` Tejun Heo
2026-01-30 11:54 ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-01-31 9:02 ` Andrea Righi
2026-01-31 17:53 ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-01-31 20:26 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-02 15:19 ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-02 15:30 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-01 17:43 ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-02 15:52 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-02 16:23 ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-02-01 9:08 [PATCHSET v4 sched_ext/for-6.20] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-01 9:08 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-01 22:47 ` Christian Loehle
2026-02-02 7:45 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-02 9:26 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-02 10:02 ` Christian Loehle
2026-02-02 15:32 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-02 10:09 ` Christian Loehle
2026-02-02 13:59 ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-02-04 9:36 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-04 9:51 ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-02-02 11:56 ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-02-04 10:11 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-04 10:33 ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-02-04 16:05 [PATCHSET v5] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-04 16:05 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-04 22:14 ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-05 9:26 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-05 15:32 [PATCHSET v6] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-05 15:32 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-05 19:29 ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-02-05 21:32 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-06 13:54 [PATCHSET v7] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-06 13:54 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-06 20:35 ` Emil Tsalapatis
2026-02-07 9:26 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-09 17:28 ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-09 19:06 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-10 21:26 [PATCHSET v8] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-10 21:26 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-10 23:20 ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-11 16:06 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-11 19:47 ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-11 22:34 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-11 22:37 ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-11 22:48 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-12 10:16 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-12 14:32 ` Christian Loehle
2026-02-12 15:45 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-12 17:07 ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-12 18:14 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-12 18:35 ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-12 22:30 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-14 10:16 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-14 17:56 ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-14 19:32 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-10 23:54 ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-11 16:07 ` Andrea Righi
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