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From: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
To: Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>
Cc: David Vernet <void@manifault.com>,
	Changwoo Min <changwoo@igalia.com>,
	Emil Tsalapatis <emil@etsalapatis.com>,
	Daniel Hodges <hodgesd@meta.com>,
	sched-ext@lists.linux.dev, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] sched_ext: Fix ops.dequeue() semantics
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2025 07:19:46 -1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aVFmstVjLW_QIQis@slm.duckdns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251219224450.2537941-2-arighi@nvidia.com>

Hello, Andrea.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2025 at 11:43:14PM +0100, Andrea Righi wrote:
...
> +   Once ``ops.enqueue()`` is called, the task is considered "enqueued" and
> +   is owned by the BPF scheduler. Ownership is retained until the task is
> +   either dispatched (moved to a local DSQ for execution) or dequeued
> +   (removed from the scheduler due to a blocking event, or to modify a
> +   property, like CPU affinity, priority, etc.). When the task leaves the
> +   BPF scheduler ``ops.dequeue()`` is invoked.
> +
> +   **Important**: ``ops.dequeue()`` is called for *any* enqueued task,
> +   regardless of whether the task is still on a BPF data structure, or it
> +   is already dispatched to a DSQ (global, local, or user DSQ)
> +
> +   This guarantees that every ``ops.enqueue()`` will eventually be followed
> +   by a ``ops.dequeue()``. This makes it reliable for BPF schedulers to
> +   track task ownership and maintain accurate accounting, such as per-DSQ
> +   queued runtime sums.

While this works, from the BPF sched's POV, there's no way to tell whether
an ops.dequeue() call is from the task being actually dequeued or the
follow-up to the dispatch operation it just did. This won't make much
difference if ops.dequeue() is just used for accounting purposes, but, a
scheduler which uses an arena data structure for queueing would likely need
to perform extra tests to tell whether the task needs to be dequeued from
the arena side. I *think* hot path (ops.dequeue() following the task's
dispatch) can be a simple lockless test, so this may be okay, but from API
POV, it can probably be better.

The counter interlocking point is scx_bpf_dsq_insert(). If we can
synchronize scx_bpf_dsq_insert() and dequeue so that ops.dequeue() is not
called for a successfully inserted task, I think the semantics would be
neater - an enqueued task is either dispatched or dequeued. Due to the async
dispatch operation, this likely is difficult to do without adding extra sync
operations in scx_bpf_dsq_insert(). However, I *think* we may be able to get
rid of dspc and async inserting if we call ops.dispatch() w/ rq lock
dropped. That may make the whole dispatch path simpler and the behavior
neater too. What do you think?

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-12-28 17:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-19 22:43 [PATCH 0/2] sched_ext: Implement proper " Andrea Righi
2025-12-19 22:43 ` [PATCH 1/2] sched_ext: Fix " Andrea Righi
2025-12-28  3:20   ` Emil Tsalapatis
2025-12-29 16:36     ` Andrea Righi
2025-12-29 18:35       ` Emil Tsalapatis
2025-12-28 17:19   ` Tejun Heo [this message]
2025-12-28 23:28     ` Tejun Heo
2025-12-28 23:38       ` Tejun Heo
2025-12-29 17:07         ` Andrea Righi
2025-12-29 18:55           ` Emil Tsalapatis
2025-12-28 23:42   ` Tejun Heo
2025-12-29 17:17     ` Andrea Righi
2025-12-29  0:06   ` Tejun Heo
2025-12-29 18:56     ` Andrea Righi
2025-12-19 22:43 ` [PATCH 2/2] selftests/sched_ext: Add test to validate ops.dequeue() Andrea Righi
2025-12-28  3:28   ` Emil Tsalapatis
2025-12-29 16:11     ` Andrea Righi
2026-01-21 12:25 [PATCHSET v2 sched_ext/for-6.20] sched_ext: Fix ops.dequeue() semantics Andrea Righi
2026-01-21 12:25 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Andrea Righi
2026-01-21 12:54   ` Christian Loehle
2026-01-21 12:57     ` Andrea Righi
2026-01-22  9:28   ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-01-23 13:32     ` Andrea Righi
2026-01-26  8:41 [PATCHSET v3 sched_ext/for-6.20] " Andrea Righi
2026-01-26  8:41 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Andrea Righi
2026-01-27 16:38   ` Emil Tsalapatis
2026-01-27 16:41   ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-01-30  7:34     ` Andrea Righi
2026-01-30 13:14       ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-01-31  6:54         ` Andrea Righi
2026-01-31 16:45           ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-01-31 17:24             ` Andrea Righi
2026-01-28 21:21   ` Tejun Heo
2026-01-30 11:54     ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-01-31  9:02       ` Andrea Righi
2026-01-31 17:53         ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-01-31 20:26           ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-02 15:19             ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-02 15:30               ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-01 17:43       ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-02 15:52         ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-02 16:23           ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-02-01  9:08 [PATCHSET v4 sched_ext/for-6.20] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-01  9:08 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-01 22:47   ` Christian Loehle
2026-02-02  7:45     ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-02  9:26       ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-02 10:02         ` Christian Loehle
2026-02-02 15:32           ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-02 10:09       ` Christian Loehle
2026-02-02 13:59       ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-02-04  9:36         ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-04  9:51           ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-02-02 11:56   ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-02-04 10:11     ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-04 10:33       ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-02-04 16:05 [PATCHSET v5] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-04 16:05 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-04 22:14   ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-05  9:26     ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-05 15:32 [PATCHSET v6] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-05 15:32 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-05 19:29   ` Kuba Piecuch
2026-02-05 21:32     ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-06 13:54 [PATCHSET v7] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-06 13:54 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-06 20:35   ` Emil Tsalapatis
2026-02-07  9:26     ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-09 17:28       ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-09 19:06         ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-10 21:26 [PATCHSET v8] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-10 21:26 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Andrea Righi
2026-02-10 23:20   ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-11 16:06     ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-11 19:47       ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-11 22:34         ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-11 22:37           ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-11 22:48             ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-12 10:16             ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-12 14:32               ` Christian Loehle
2026-02-12 15:45                 ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-12 17:07                   ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-12 18:14                     ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-12 18:35                       ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-12 22:30                         ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-14 10:16                           ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-14 17:56                             ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-14 19:32                               ` Andrea Righi
2026-02-10 23:54   ` Tejun Heo
2026-02-11 16:07     ` Andrea Righi

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