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From: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>, Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Fabio Comolli <fabio.comolli@gmail.com>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch 00/13] devtmpfs patches
Date: Sat, 9 May 2009 20:09:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ac3eb2510905091109l67429676he237be885c0ff00e@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090509181138.15d2a490@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>

On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 19:11, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 9 May 2009 18:46:10 +0200
> Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 17:22, Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org> wrote:
>> > On Sat, 9 May 2009 08:08:53 -0700
>> > Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de> wrote:
>> >
>> >> > Well, guess you meant the opposite ;-)
>> >>
>> >> Heh, yes, sorry about that.  It makes booting faster :)
>> >
>> > .. and I don't buy that.
>>
>> Don't buy, just try it - and you will see. :)
>
> Got some boot timing graphs for the change ?

So far, I got numbers for different options used with devtmpfs to
compare initramfs with non-initramfs. Initramfs is what all general
purpose distros need to use today, to be able to identify the disk by
LABEL/UUID/Hardware-properties. And I wanted to see how expensive the
use of initramfs is. They are posted here:
  http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/5/6/197

The "init" for intramfs is attached to the mail, mainly to illustrate
the simplification over the things we need to do today, and that there
is never a point in time where we have to delay things, because /dev
is empty during the moment we mount a fresh and empty tmpfs /dev.

To directly compare numbers for devtmpfs and non-devtmpfs, the "init"
script would need to be modified to ignore the kernel provided
devtmpfs and mount an empty tmpfs over it, and populate it, just like
we do it today. There is no theoretical chance that this can ever be
faster.

Most of the bootstrap logic we have today: mount an empty tmpfs /dev
-> add the few mandatory nodes to be able to start the bootstrap
process -> run something that reads sysfs-device-information (in the
usual case udev) -> delaying all further processing until /dev is
minimally usable to start things that rely on a working /dev, ... all
that gets basically stripped down to: "mount --move /dev /root/dev",
right at the end before we leave initramfs behind us.

Kay

  reply	other threads:[~2009-05-09 18:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20090509142601.874865281@blue.kroah.org>
2009-05-09 14:37 ` Greg KH
2009-05-09 14:26   ` [patch 01/13] Driver Core: add nodename callbacks Greg KH
2009-05-10 12:52     ` Stephen Rothwell
2009-05-10 13:19       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-11 20:51         ` Greg KH
2009-05-09 14:26   ` [patch 02/13] Driver Core: misc: add nodename support for misc devices Greg KH
2009-05-15 19:58     ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-18 14:34       ` Greg KH
2009-05-18 19:59         ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-18 20:28       ` Alan Cox
2009-05-09 14:26   ` [patch 03/13] Driver Core: usb: add nodename support for usb drivers Greg KH
2009-05-09 14:26   ` [patch 04/13] Driver Core: block: add nodename support for block drivers Greg KH
2009-05-09 14:26   ` [patch 05/13] Driver Core: x86: add nodename for cpuid and msr drivers Greg KH
2009-05-09 14:26   ` [patch 06/13] Driver Core: dvb: add nodename for dvb drivers Greg KH
2009-05-09 14:26   ` [patch 07/13] Driver Core: input: add nodename for input drivers Greg KH
2009-05-09 14:26   ` [patch 08/13] Driver Core: sound: add nodename for sound drivers Greg KH
2009-05-09 14:26   ` [patch 09/13] Driver Core: raw: add nodename for raw devices Greg KH
2009-05-09 14:26   ` [patch 10/13] Driver Core: drm: add nodename for drm devices Greg KH
2009-05-09 14:26   ` [patch 11/13] Driver Core: aoe: add nodename for aoe devices Greg KH
2009-05-09 14:26   ` [patch 12/13] Driver Core: bsg: add nodename for bsg driver Greg KH
2009-05-09 14:26   ` [patch 13/13] Driver Core: devtmpfs - driver core maintained /dev tmpfs Greg KH
2009-05-09 15:10   ` [patch 00/13] devtmpfs patches Fabio Comolli
2009-05-09 15:08     ` Greg KH
2009-05-09 15:22       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-09 16:19         ` Greg KH
2009-05-09 19:09           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-10  4:34           ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-10  7:48             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-10 14:56               ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-10  5:34           ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-10 15:20             ` Greg KH
2009-05-10 15:59               ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-10 18:31               ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-05-10 21:19                 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-10 23:47                   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-11  0:00                     ` Arjan van de Ven
     [not found]                       ` <ac3eb2510905101822t7fde14b3nf2c689621f69c925@mail.gmail.com>
2009-05-11  2:36                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-11 10:46                           ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-11 10:55                             ` Alan Cox
2009-05-11 11:34                               ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-11 13:05                                 ` [patch 00/13] devtmpfs Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-11 13:28                                   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-11 13:49                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-11 14:59                                       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-11 13:10                                 ` [patch 00/13] devtmpfs patches Alan Cox
2009-05-11 14:14                                   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-11 14:30                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-11 14:42                                       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-11 15:53                                     ` Alan Cox
2009-05-11 16:28                                       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-11 16:41                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-11 17:32                                           ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-11 17:55                                             ` Alan Cox
2009-05-11 18:04                                               ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-11 18:40                                                 ` Alan Cox
2009-05-11 16:56                                         ` Alan Cox
2009-05-11 18:13                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-11  3:55                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-11 11:49                         ` Fabio Comolli
2009-05-11 17:47                           ` Greg KH
2009-05-11 16:40                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-11 17:16                           ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-11 21:13                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-11  1:00                     ` Andrew Morton
2009-05-11  3:58                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2009-05-11 17:45                       ` Greg KH
2009-05-09 16:46         ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-09 17:11           ` Alan Cox
2009-05-09 18:09             ` Kay Sievers [this message]
2009-05-11 17:40   ` David P. Quigley
2009-05-11 17:56     ` Greg KH
2009-05-11 20:41       ` David P. Quigley
2009-05-11 21:05         ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-11 21:19           ` Alan Cox
2009-05-11 21:27             ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-12 12:45           ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-12 15:10             ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-12 15:35               ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-12 15:54                 ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-12 22:55                   ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-12 23:22                     ` David P. Quigley
2009-05-12 23:34                       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-12 23:50                         ` Greg KH
2009-05-13 12:22                     ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-13 12:58                       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-13 12:57                         ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-13 13:09                           ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-13 12:59                       ` Alan Cox
2009-05-13 13:20                   ` David Howells
2009-05-13 13:34                     ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-13 14:20                       ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-13 14:35                         ` Stephen Smalley
2009-05-13 16:45                           ` Kay Sievers
2009-05-13 22:43                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2009-05-13 23:10                               ` Greg KH

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