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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT pull] timer updates for 4.9
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2016 21:09:05 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1610242048570.4815@nanos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFysd6G2Se9DJXmfJdWieksHVHBzoxkK5982iuu3MTArkQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 24 Oct 2016, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
> >
> > Can you please check in the disassembly whether gcc really reloads
> > timer->flags? Mine does not...
> 
> No, me neither. The code generation for lock_timer_base() looks
> reasonable, although not pretty (it needs one spill for the
> complexities in get_timer_cpu_base(), and the "*flags" games results
> in some unnecessary indirection too).
> 
> I will try your patch, but also stare at my code some more.
> 
> I'm starting to think that the problem could be due to the timer code
> being triggered _way_ too early (printk() ends up being obviously used
> long before most things end up using timers), and that the problem I
> see is just later fallout from that.
> 
> Sergey (added to participants) tried an earlier version of my patch,
> and had more debug options enabled, and got
> 
>   BUG: spinlock bad magic on CPU#0
> 
> from mod_timer() doing _raw_spin_unlock_irqrestore(), when the

Weird, that should have triggered in raw_spin_lock() already.

Can you bounce me the patch you are currently testing?

> printk() callchain happens very early in setup_arch ->
> setup_memory_map -> e820_print_map().
> 
> So I think the timer bugs I found were _potentially_ true bugs, but
> likely not the cause of this all.
> 
> init_timers() happens early, but we do printk's even earlier.

These are the things which are not initialized:

1) base->spinlock

   That's a non issue for !debug kernels as the lock initializer is 0
   (unlocked).

2) base->clk
 
   That makes the timer queued at some random array bucket.

3) base->cpu

   That's a non issue as base->cpu is 0 and at this point you are on CPU 0
   and the stupid NOHZ remote queueing is not yet possible.

The hlist_head is not touched by init_timers() as it's NULL initialized
already, so we do not scribble over an already queued timer.

So anything you queue _before_ init_timers() will just be queued to some
random bucket, but it does not explain the wreckage you are seing.

Thanks,

	tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2016-10-24 19:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-10-22 12:02 Thomas Gleixner
2016-10-23 22:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-23 23:20   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-24  9:39     ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-10-24 14:51       ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-10-24 15:13         ` Thomas Gleixner
2016-10-25 14:57           ` [tip:timers/urgent] timers: Plug locking race vs. timer migration tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2016-10-25 14:58           ` [tip:timers/urgent] timers: Lock base for same bucket optimization tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2016-10-24 17:16         ` [GIT pull] timer updates for 4.9 Linus Torvalds
2016-10-24 19:09           ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2016-10-24 19:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-10-24 21:36               ` Thomas Gleixner

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