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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Satyam Sharma <ssatyam@cse.iitk.ac.in>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@yahoo.com.au>, Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/8] i386: bitops: Kill volatile-casting of memory addresses
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:52:53 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.0.999.0707231046140.3607@woody.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070723160548.22137.66072.sendpatchset@cselinux1.cse.iitk.ac.in>



On Mon, 23 Jul 2007, Satyam Sharma wrote:

> 
> [4/8] i386: bitops: Kill volatile-casting of memory addresses

This is wrong.

The "const volatile" is so that you can pass an arbitrary pointer. The 
only kind of abritraty pointer is "const volatile".

In other words, the "volatile" has nothing at all to do with whether the 
memory is volatile or not (the same way "const" has nothing to do with it: 
it's purely a C type *safety* issue, exactly the same way "const" is a 
type safety issue.

A "const" on a pointer doesn't mean that the thing it points to cannot 
change. When you pass a source pointer to "strlen()", it doesn't have to 
be constant. But "strlen()" takes a "const" pointer, because it work son 
constant pointers *too*.

Same deal here.

Admittedly this may be mostly historic, but regardless - the "volatiles" 
are right.

Using volatile on *data* is generally considered incorrect and bad taste, 
but using it in situations like this potentially makes sense.

Of course, if we remove all "volatiles" in data in the kernel (with the 
possible exception of "jiffies"), we can then remove them from function 
declarations too, but it should be done in that order.

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-23 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-23 16:05 [PATCH 0/8] i386: bitops: Cleanup, sanitize, optimize Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 1/8] i386: bitops: Update/correct comments Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 2/8] i386: bitops: Rectify bogus "Ir" constraints Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:10   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 16:21     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:30       ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 16:36         ` Jan Hubicka
2007-07-23 18:05         ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-23 18:28           ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-23 17:57   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-23 18:14     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 18:32       ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 18:39     ` H. Peter Anvin
2007-07-23 18:52       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 3/8] i386: bitops: Rectify bogus "+m" constraints Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:37   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 17:15     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 17:46   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24  9:22   ` David Howells
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 4/8] i386: bitops: Kill volatile-casting of memory addresses Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 17:52   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2007-07-24  4:19     ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  6:23       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24  7:16         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  9:49     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-24 17:20       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 17:39         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-07-25  4:54         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 5/8] i386: bitops: Contain warnings fallout from the death of volatiles Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:05 ` [PATCH 6/8] i386: bitops: Don't mark memory as clobbered unnecessarily Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:13   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 16:26     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:33       ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 17:12         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 17:49           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-23 17:55   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24  9:52     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-24 17:24       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 17:42         ` Trond Myklebust
2007-07-24 18:13           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 18:28             ` Trond Myklebust
2007-07-24 21:37             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-24 21:55               ` Trond Myklebust
2007-07-24 22:32                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-25  4:10                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24 21:36         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-07-24  3:57   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  6:38     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24  7:24       ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  8:29         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24  8:39           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  8:38         ` Trent Piepho
2007-07-24 19:39           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 20:37             ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-24 20:08               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 21:31                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-24 21:46                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26  1:07             ` Trent Piepho
2007-07-26  1:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-26  1:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24  9:44     ` David Howells
2007-07-24 10:02       ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:06 ` [PATCH 7/8] i386: bitops: Kill needless usage of __asm__ __volatile__ Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:18   ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 16:22     ` [PATCH 7/8] i386: bitops: Kill needless usage of __asm__ __volatile__ II Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 16:32     ` [PATCH 7/8] i386: bitops: Kill needless usage of __asm__ __volatile__ Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 16:23   ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-23 16:43     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 17:39       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-23 18:07         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-23 18:28           ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-23 20:29             ` Trent Piepho
2007-07-23 20:40               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-23 21:06                 ` Trent Piepho
2007-07-23 21:30               ` Andi Kleen
2007-07-23 21:48                 ` Nicholas Miell
2007-07-23 16:06 ` [PATCH 8/8] i386: bitops: smp_mb__{before, after}_clear_bit() definitions Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24  3:53   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  7:34     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24  7:48       ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2007-07-24  8:31         ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  8:20       ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24  9:21         ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24 10:25           ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24 11:10             ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24 11:32               ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24 11:45                 ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-24 12:01                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-07-24 17:12                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-07-24 19:01                     ` Satyam Sharma
2007-07-30 17:57 ` [PATCH 0/8] i386: bitops: Cleanup, sanitize, optimize Denis Vlasenko
2007-07-31  1:07   ` Satyam Sharma

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