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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: akpm <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linux Kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linuxppc-dev list <linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier
Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2007 19:12:20 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.0.999.0710171906150.26902@woody.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1192670742.12879.5.camel@pasglop>



On Thu, 18 Oct 2007, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
>  
> +	smp_mb();
>  	while (desc->status & IRQ_INPROGRESS)
>  		cpu_relax();

So, what exactly does it protect against? At a minimum, this needs a 
comment in the changelog, and probably preferably in the source code too.

The thing is, synchronize_irq() can only protect against interrupts that 
are *already*running* on another CPU, and the caller must have made sure 
that no new interrupts are coming in (or at least that whatever new 
interrupts that come in will not pick up a certain piece of data). 

So I can imagine that the smb_mb() is there so that the caller - who has 
cleared some list or done something like that - will have any preceding 
writes that it did be serialized with actually checking the old state of 
"desc->status".

Fair enough - I can see that a smp_mb() is useful. But I think it needs 
documenting as such, and preferably with an example of how this actually 
happened in the first place (do you have one?)

The synchronize_irq() users that are really fundamental (ie the irq 
datastructures themselves) all should use the irq descriptor spinlock, and 
should *not* be needing any of this, since they would have serialized with 
whoever actually set the IRQ_INPROGRESS bit in the first place.

So in *that* sense, I think the memory barrier is useless, and I can't 
make up my mind whether it's good or bad. Which is why I'd really like to 
have an example scenario spelled out where it makes a difference..

Ok?

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-10-18  2:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-10-18  1:25 Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-18  1:45 ` Andrew Morton
2007-10-18  1:55   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-18  2:12 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2007-10-18  2:40   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-18  2:57     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-18 14:56       ` Herbert Xu
2007-10-18 22:05         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-18 22:52           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18 23:17             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-18 23:39               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-18 23:52                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-19  2:32                 ` Herbert Xu
2007-10-19  2:52                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-19  3:28                     ` Herbert Xu
2007-10-19  4:49                       ` Nick Piggin
2007-10-19  2:55                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-19  3:26                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-19  4:11                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-19  4:26                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-19  5:53                           ` Herbert Xu
2007-10-19  4:20                       ` Herbert Xu
2007-10-19  4:29                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-19  4:35                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-19  4:48                         ` Herbert Xu
2007-10-19  4:58                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-21 21:10                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-23  3:26                               ` [IRQ]: Fix synchronize_irq races with IRQ handler Herbert Xu
2007-10-19  5:36                         ` [NET]: Fix possible dev_deactivate race condition Herbert Xu
2007-10-19  5:38                           ` David Miller
2007-10-19  7:35                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-10-19  9:29                             ` Herbert Xu
2007-10-18 14:35     ` [PATCH] synchronize_irq needs a barrier Herbert Xu
2007-10-18 21:35       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-20  2:02 ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-10-20  2:25   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-10-20  3:10     ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-10-20  4:06       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-20  4:04     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-20  4:09       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-20  3:37   ` Herbert Xu
2007-10-20  3:56   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-20  4:24     ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-10-20  5:04       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-20  5:36         ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-10-20  5:46           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-10-20  6:06             ` Maxim Levitsky
2007-10-20  6:13               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt

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