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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, gregkh@suse.de,
	inux-pci@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Martin Mares <mj@ucw.cz>, Matthew Wilcox <matthew@wil.cx>
Subject: Re: [Patch v2] Make PCI extended config space (MMCONFIG) a driver opt-in
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 09:52:44 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.0.9999.0712270945320.21557@woody.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47739203.3060809@garzik.org>



On Thu, 27 Dec 2007, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> 
> 2) [non-minor] hmmmm.
> 
> 	[jgarzik@core ~]$ lspci -n | wc -l
> 	23
> 
> So I would have to perform 23 sysfs twiddles, before I could obtain a full and
> unabridged 'lspci -vvvxxx'?

Or you force it on with "pci=mmconfig" or something at boot-time.

But yes. The *fact* is that MMCONFIG has not just been globally broken, 
but broken on a per-device basis. I don't know why (and quite frankly, I 
doubt anybody does), but the PCI device ID corruption happened only for a 
specific set of devices.

Whether it was a timing issue with particular devices or whether it was a 
timing issue with some particular bridge (and could affect any devices 
behind that bridge), who knows... It almost certainly was brought on by a 
borderline (or broken) northbridge, but it apparently only affected 
specific devices - which makes me suspect that it wasn't *entirely* due to 
just the northbridge, and it was a combination of things.

I don't understand why you cannot seem to accept that per-device thing, in 
the face of clear data that yes, it really *is* per-device. Not to mention 
the fact that the way MMIO config setups work, you may well have entire 
buses that simply aren't accessible with MMIO config at all (because the 
MMIO config window is not large enough).

Furthermore, please accept the fact that of those 23 devices, exactly 
*none* will actually care. So yes, you'd have to enable it manually for 
those individual devices, but that's only if you want to do something 
totally pointless in the first place.

So stop this totally inane "it has to be global" crap. It doesn't have to 
be global at all, and we have hard data showing that it really SHOULD NOT 
be a global flag.

		Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-12-27 17:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-25 11:26 Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-27 11:52 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-12-27 14:09   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-27 17:52   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2008-01-11 19:02 ` Greg KH
2008-01-11 19:09   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-11 19:14     ` Greg KH
2008-01-11 19:28   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 19:40     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-11 19:45       ` Greg KH
2008-01-11 19:49         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 19:58           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 20:17             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 20:27               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 20:42                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 21:12                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 21:17                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 21:28                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-11 21:38                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-11 23:58                           ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-12  0:17                             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-01-12  0:26                             ` Greg KH
2008-01-12 14:40                               ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-12 15:46                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-12 16:23                                   ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-12 17:45                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-12 18:17                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-12 21:49                                   ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-12 23:01                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-13  0:12                                       ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-13  0:40                                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-13  1:36                                           ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-13  4:42                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-13  4:47                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-13  6:43                                                 ` Jeff Garzik
2008-01-13 12:43                                               ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-13 17:03                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-13 21:28                                                   ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-14  0:54                                                     ` Alan Cox
2008-01-14  1:33                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-14  3:29                                                         ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-14  5:05                                                           ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-14 13:01                                                             ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-14 14:46                                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-14 15:23                                                                 ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-14 16:01                                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-14 16:08                                                                     ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-14  9:11                                                         ` Alan Cox
2008-01-14  5:20                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-13 18:23                                   ` Loic Prylli
2008-01-13 18:41                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-13 20:43                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-13 21:18                                         ` Loic Prylli
2008-01-13 20:51                                       ` Loic Prylli
2008-01-13  7:08                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2008-01-13  7:24                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-13  7:58                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-13 17:01                                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-14 22:52                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-14 23:04                                         ` Adrian Bunk
2008-01-15 16:00                                           ` Loic Prylli
2008-01-15 17:46                                             ` Greg KH
2008-01-15 17:56                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-15 19:27                                                 ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-15 19:38                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-15 19:40                                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-15 22:12                                                     ` Loic Prylli
2008-01-19 16:58                                                 ` Grant Grundler
2008-01-28 18:32                                                   ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-28 20:44                                                     ` Greg KH
2008-01-28 22:31                                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-28 22:53                                                         ` Greg KH
2008-01-29  2:56                                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-29  2:57                                                             ` PCI x86: always use conf1 to access config space below 256 bytes Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-29 13:21                                                               ` Greg KH
2008-01-29 23:43                                                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-30  0:04                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2008-01-29  3:03                                                             ` [PATCH] Change pci_raw_ops to pci_raw_read/write Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-03  7:30                                                               ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-07 15:54                                                                 ` Tony Camuso
2008-02-07 16:28                                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-02-07 16:36                                                                     ` Tony Camuso
2008-02-08  2:28                                                                       ` Grant Grundler
2008-02-09 12:41                                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10  6:25                                                                     ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-10  7:21                                                                       ` Greg KH
2008-02-10 14:51                                                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10 19:13                                                                           ` Grant Grundler
2008-02-10 19:37                                                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10 20:16                                                                           ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-10 20:19                                                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10 20:25                                                                               ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-10 20:32                                                                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10 20:47                                                                                   ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-10 20:24                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-10 20:45                                                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-10 23:02                                                                                 ` raw_pci_read in quirk_intel_irqbalance Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-11  5:04                                                                                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-11  7:49                                                                                     ` Grant Grundler
2008-02-11 16:15                                                                                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-02-11 17:18                                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-02-11 19:38                                                                                           ` Grant Grundler
2008-02-11  1:49                                                                                 ` [PATCH] Change pci_raw_ops to pci_raw_read/write Yinghai Lu
2008-02-11  2:53                                                                                   ` Robert Hancock
2008-02-11  5:59                                                                                     ` Yinghai Lu
2008-02-11 22:10                                                                                   ` Andrew Morton
2008-02-11 22:38                                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2008-01-29  3:05                                                       ` [Patch v2] Make PCI extended config space (MMCONFIG) a driver opt-in Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-29  3:18                                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-29 13:19                                                           ` Greg KH
2008-01-29 14:15                                                             ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-29 14:47                                                               ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-29 15:15                                                                 ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-29 15:29                                                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-29 16:26                                                                     ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-29 23:57                                                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-30  2:30                                                                       ` Tony Camuso
2008-01-30  3:45                                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-30 15:15                                                               ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-30 15:42                                                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-30 20:14                                                                   ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-31  5:51                                                             ` Jesse Barnes
2008-01-11 19:54   ` Arjan van de Ven
2008-01-11 20:55     ` Greg KH
2008-01-15 12:58 ` Øyvind Vågen Jægtnes
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2007-12-27 17:59     ` Robert Hancock
2007-12-27 19:47       ` Arjan van de Ven
     [not found]   ` <fa.H0fcNl3b6xVBwzWUgT72M4K6KOU@ifi.uio.no>
2007-12-27 18:15     ` Robert Hancock
2007-12-27 18:30       ` Kai Ruhnau
2007-12-27 18:58       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-27 21:10         ` Loic Prylli
2007-12-27 21:21           ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-12-27 21:37           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-27 21:46             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-27 22:18               ` Kai Ruhnau
2007-12-28  4:27                 ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-12-28  5:32                   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-28  6:07                     ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-12-28 10:34                       ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2007-12-28 16:14                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-28 16:38                           ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2007-12-28 17:40                             ` Loic Prylli
2007-12-28 21:12                               ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2008-01-13  6:01                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2008-01-13  7:19                                   ` Loic Prylli
2007-12-28  5:31                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-27 21:59             ` Kai Ruhnau
2007-12-28  5:27             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-28  5:29             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-28  5:37               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-28  6:06                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-28 19:14                   ` Loic Prylli
2007-12-28 20:42                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2007-12-28  0:18         ` Robert Hancock
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2008-01-13  1:56           ` Robert Hancock
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2008-01-14 23:59             ` Robert Hancock

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