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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@gmail.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Li Zefan <lizf@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Lai Jiangshan <laijs@cn.fujitsu.com>,
	Johannes Berg <johannes.berg@intel.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <masami.hiramatsu.pt@hitachi.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@infradead.org>,
	Tom Zanussi <tzanussi@gmail.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@redhat.com>,
	Lin Ming <ming.m.lin@intel.com>,
	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>, Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	Hitoshi Mitake <mitake@dcl.info.waseda.ac.jp>,
	Robert Richter <robert.richter@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [RFD] Future tracing/instrumentation directions
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 13:07:57 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1005201256420.3368@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100520100732.GD5309@nowhere>

On Thu, 20 May 2010, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:31:31AM +0200, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> >  - [ While it's still a long way off, if this trend continues
> >      we eventually might even be able to get rid of the 
> >      /debug/tracing/ temporary debug API and get rid of 
> >      the ugly in-kernel pretty-printing bits. This is 
> >      good: it may make Andrew very happy for a change ;-)
> > 
> >      The main detail here to be careful of is that lots of
> >      people are fond of the simplicity of the 
> >      /debug/tracing/ debug UI, so when we replace it we 
> >      want to do it by keeping that simple workflow (or 
> >      best by making it even simpler). I have a few ideas 
> >      how to do this.
> 
> How? We can emulate the /debug/tracing result with something
> like perf trace, still that won't replace the immediate
> availability of the result of any trace, which makes it
> valuable for any simplest workflows.

I'm a bit torn about this. I really like the availability of the ascii
interface, but if we can come up with a very basic trace binary tool
which can be built for deep embedded w/o requiring the world and some
more libs to be available, then I might give up my resistance. Ideally
it should be done so it can be easily integrated into busybox.

I don't care whether I do

echo 1 >/debug/..../XXX/enable
cat /debug/tracing/trace

or

perfmini trace enable XXX
perfmini trace dump

as long as the tool is built in a way that it does not need updates
when we add trace points or other functionality to the kernel.

Thanks,

	tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-20 11:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-19 17:51 [RFC] Unified Ring Buffer (Next Generation) Steven Rostedt
2010-05-19 18:10 ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-19 18:44   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-19 19:25     ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-19 19:38       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-19 18:47   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-20  6:41     ` Andi Kleen
2010-05-20 13:48       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-19 19:05 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2010-05-20  9:31 ` [RFD] Future tracing/instrumentation directions Ingo Molnar
2010-05-20 10:07   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-05-20 11:07     ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2010-05-20 11:42       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-20 11:48         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-20 12:15       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-05-20 12:19       ` Theodore Tso
2010-05-20 11:36     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-20 13:06       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-05-20 14:38   ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-20 15:04     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-20 20:12     ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-21 17:49     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-05-24 20:13       ` Steven Rostedt
2010-05-21  9:24   ` Li Zefan

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