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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: tytso@mit.edu, Brian Swetland <swetland@google.com>,
	Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>, Arve Hj?nnev?g <arve@android.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Felipe Balbi <felipe.balbi@nokia.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Florian Mickler <florian@mickler.org>,
	Linux OMAP Mailing List <linux-omap@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux PM <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@deeprootsystems.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: suspend blockers & Android integration
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 16:37:02 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1006031630300.8175@i5.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100603232302.GA16184@elte.hu>



On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
>    This allows a task to 'exclude' other tasks that dont have low-latency 
>    requirements. Crappy apps would have a large latency value, so they'd
>    be idled out when a privileged task sets the exclusion level low enough.

Quite frankly, this sounds fundamentally broken.

Think deadlock. The high-latency task got a lock, and now you're excluding 
it because it scheduled away.

So from my perspective, putting that kind of logic deep in the system 
sounds like the _last_ thing we want to do.

I think it's much saner to have a very targeted suspend blocker that only 
blocks the opportunistic suspends and has _zero_ interaction with the rest 
of the system (certainly none at all with core code like the scheduler).

And if somebody then suspends the traditional way (by an actual suspend 
event, not that opportunistic thing), then the suspend blocker does 
nothing at all - because it simply doesn't even _exist_ at that level. 
It's only about the opportunistic suspends.

(I'd further suggest that disk wait and running in kernel mode disable any 
opportunistic suspend anyway - but that's not about suspend blockers as 
much as it is about just the opportunistic suspend itself).

		Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-03 23:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-03 19:30 Ingo Molnar
2010-06-03 19:50 ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-04  7:57   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04  8:29     ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-04  8:55       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04  9:03         ` Pekka Enberg
2010-06-04  9:08         ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-04  9:59           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04 10:09             ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-04 14:24             ` James Bottomley
2010-06-04 15:07               ` Florian Mickler
2010-06-06  8:04           ` david
2010-06-10 13:58       ` Pavel Machek
2010-06-11  4:21         ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2010-06-11 14:28           ` James Bottomley
2010-06-11 14:46             ` Alan Stern
2010-06-11 15:01               ` Mark Brown
2010-06-11 15:02               ` James Bottomley
2010-06-11 20:48                 ` Alan Stern
2010-06-11 21:04                   ` James Bottomley
2010-06-12 17:10                   ` Mark Brown
2010-06-12  2:43             ` David Brownell
2010-06-11 14:42           ` Alan Stern
     [not found] ` <20100603231153.GA11302@elte.hu>
2010-06-03 23:23   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-03 23:37     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2010-06-03 23:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04  2:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-06-04  2:26           ` Linus Torvalds
2010-06-04  3:45             ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-06-04  4:46               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-06-04 10:42                 ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-04  8:15               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-06  8:16               ` david
2010-06-06  8:23             ` david
2010-06-04  3:45           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-04  6:22           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04  8:11           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-05 20:37           ` Florian Mickler
2010-06-04  0:39     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04 14:50       ` Alan Stern
2010-06-04  4:38     ` Neil Brown
2010-06-04  4:54     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-04  7:13       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04  7:37         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-04  8:34           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04  8:56             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-04 12:06               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-05  0:10                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05  9:54                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-05 16:28                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-06-05 21:26                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05 22:23                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-06-05 22:26                           ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-05 22:48                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-06-05 23:45                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-06  0:34                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05 22:52                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-05 22:39                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05 23:34                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-06-06  0:02                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06 11:18                           ` Felipe Contreras
2010-06-06 11:26                             ` david
2010-06-06  7:52                         ` [linux-pm] " Vitaly Wool
2010-06-06  8:20                           ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-06  8:32                             ` Vitaly Wool
2010-06-06  9:21                               ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-06  9:56                                 ` david
2010-06-06 11:11                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2010-06-06 10:00                                 ` Vitaly Wool
2010-06-06 10:12                                   ` david
2010-06-06 10:19                                     ` Vitaly Wool
2010-06-06 10:49                                       ` Florian Mickler
2010-06-06 10:57                                         ` Vitaly Wool
2010-06-06 11:14                                         ` david
2010-06-07 12:16                                           ` Florian Mickler
2010-06-09  1:14                                             ` david
2010-06-09  3:46                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-06-09  7:43                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-06-09  9:40                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-09 22:04                                                     ` Neil Brown
2010-06-10  8:59                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-10 12:00                                                         ` Neil Brown
2010-06-10 16:06                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-10 13:57                                                         ` Mark Brown
2010-06-10 15:46                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-10 19:01                                                             ` Mark Brown
2010-06-10 14:47                                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-06-10 15:44                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-06 10:46                                   ` Florian Mickler
2010-06-06 11:05                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-06-06 13:34                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-06-06 14:31                                       ` James Bottomley
2010-06-06 15:46                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-06 17:08                                           ` James Bottomley
2010-06-06 18:04                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-06 18:44                                               ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-06 19:26                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-06 19:05                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-06 19:15                                               ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-06 19:24                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-06 19:58                                                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-06 22:26                                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-07  8:00                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-07  8:03                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-07  8:16                                                       ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-07 13:20                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-07 18:40                                                       ` David Brownell
2010-06-07 23:17                                                       ` Linus Walleij
2010-06-07 23:37                                                         ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-08  2:15                                                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-06-09 12:33                                                     ` Mark Brown
2010-07-09 19:11                                                     ` HTC Dream drivers was " Pavel Machek
2010-06-06 13:31                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-06-06 15:26                                     ` Vitaly Wool
2010-06-06 15:29                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-06-06 15:47                                         ` Vitaly Wool
2010-06-06 16:43                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-06-06 17:21                                             ` Vitaly Wool
2010-06-06 17:31                                               ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                                                 ` <AANLkTimCd4AUk1wBBcnX9WKvpKA6sNfs8-4Qqb5wMaNH@mail.gmail.com>
2010-06-06 17:48                                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-06-06 19:01                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-07 10:25                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-06-07 13:01                                               ` Florian Mickler
2010-06-07  0:01                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-06-07  1:07                                           ` [linux-pm] suspend blockers & Android integrationy Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-07 14:42                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-06-07 15:49                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-07 15:56                                           ` [linux-pm] suspend blockers & Android integration Florian Mickler
2010-06-08  0:57                                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-08  1:13                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-06-04  9:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-04  9:54       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-04 10:03         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04 10:08           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-04 10:11             ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-04 10:11         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-04 10:13           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-04 23:38       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-05  0:05         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-05  0:39           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05  1:18             ` Matt Helsley
2010-06-05  5:35               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05 18:25                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-05 22:10                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05 23:03                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-06  1:03                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06  2:49                         ` Alan Stern
2010-06-06 11:09                           ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-06-08  0:23                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-08  1:09                               ` Alan Stern
2010-06-08  1:31                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-08  2:32                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-06-08  3:05                                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-08 10:19                                       ` Florian Mickler
2010-06-08 14:50                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-06-09  1:48                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-09 15:29                                           ` Alan Stern
2010-06-09 23:42                                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-10  4:21                                               ` david
2010-06-10  4:51                                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-10  5:10                                                   ` Neil Brown
2010-06-10 14:39                                                 ` Alan Stern
2010-06-10 14:28                                               ` Alan Stern
2010-06-10 23:02                                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-11  1:44                                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-06-11  3:16                                                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-11 14:33                                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-06-11 22:18                                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-12 15:22                                                           ` Alan Stern
2010-06-07 23:16                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06 13:29                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-05  1:33             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-05  5:23               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05 16:47                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-05 21:47                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05 22:11                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-05 23:21                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05 23:39                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-06  0:04                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-06  1:16                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06 10:36                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-06 14:43                               ` Matt Helsley
2010-06-08  0:45                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-07 23:34                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06 10:56                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-08  0:05                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06  0:19                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-06  1:24                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06  0:32                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-06  1:45                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06 10:01                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-05 22:44                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-05 23:56                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06 13:55                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-08  0:39                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-08  9:11                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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