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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Cc: tytso@mit.edu, Brian Swetland <swetland@google.com>,
	Neil Brown <neilb@suse.de>, Arve Hj?nnev?g <arve@android.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Felipe Balbi <felipe.balbi@nokia.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
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	Florian Mickler <florian@mickler.org>,
	Linux OMAP Mailing List <linux-omap@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux PM <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@suse.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Kevin Hilman <khilman@deeprootsystems.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: suspend blockers & Android integration
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:26:50 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1006031917500.8175@i5.linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.1006031856420.8175@i5.linux-foundation.org>



On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> so I'd like to see the opportunistc suspend thing think about CPU 
> offlining

Side note: one reason for me being somewhat interested in the CPU 
offlining is that I think the Android kind of opportunistic suspend is 
_not_ likely something I'd like to see on a desktop. But an the 
"opportunistic CPU offliner"? That might _well_ be useful even outside of 
any other suspend activity.

If the system is idle (or almost idle) for long times, I would heartily 
recommend actively shutting down unused cores. Some CPU's are hopefully 
smart enough to not even need that kind of software management, but I 
suspect even the really smart ones might be able to take advantage of the 
kernel saying: "I'm shutting you down, you don't have to worry about 
latency AT ALL, because I'm keeping another CPU active to do any real 
work".

I'd also be interested to see if it could even improve single-thread 
performance if we end up doing the whole SMP->UP "lock" prefix rewriting 
when the system is idle enough that we'd be better off running just a 
single core. I dunno - just throwing that out there.

Anyway, the only reason I think this is related is literally because I 
think that if we know there is only a single CPU active, I think the 
actual "real" opportunistic suspend is easier. Suddenly you don't have to 
worry about what happens on other run-queues etc, and whether another CPU 
is just about to create a suspend block etc.

So I think they tie together, although it's mostly tangential. And as 
mentioned, I think a opportunistic CPU suspend part is more relevant 
outside of Android, and thus perhaps more widely interesting.

			Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2010-06-04  2:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 196+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-06-03 19:30 Ingo Molnar
2010-06-03 19:50 ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-04  7:57   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04  8:29     ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-04  8:55       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04  9:03         ` Pekka Enberg
2010-06-04  9:08         ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-04  9:59           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04 10:09             ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-04 14:24             ` James Bottomley
2010-06-04 15:07               ` Florian Mickler
2010-06-06  8:04           ` david
2010-06-10 13:58       ` Pavel Machek
2010-06-11  4:21         ` [linux-pm] " David Brownell
2010-06-11 14:28           ` James Bottomley
2010-06-11 14:46             ` Alan Stern
2010-06-11 15:01               ` Mark Brown
2010-06-11 15:02               ` James Bottomley
2010-06-11 20:48                 ` Alan Stern
2010-06-11 21:04                   ` James Bottomley
2010-06-12 17:10                   ` Mark Brown
2010-06-12  2:43             ` David Brownell
2010-06-11 14:42           ` Alan Stern
     [not found] ` <20100603231153.GA11302@elte.hu>
2010-06-03 23:23   ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-03 23:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2010-06-03 23:46       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04  2:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2010-06-04  2:26           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2010-06-04  3:45             ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-06-04  4:46               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-06-04 10:42                 ` Andi Kleen
2010-06-04  8:15               ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-06  8:16               ` david
2010-06-06  8:23             ` david
2010-06-04  3:45           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-04  6:22           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04  8:11           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-05 20:37           ` Florian Mickler
2010-06-04  0:39     ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04 14:50       ` Alan Stern
2010-06-04  4:38     ` Neil Brown
2010-06-04  4:54     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-04  7:13       ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04  7:37         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-04  8:34           ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04  8:56             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-04 12:06               ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-05  0:10                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05  9:54                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-05 16:28                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-06-05 21:26                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05 22:23                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-06-05 22:26                           ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-05 22:48                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-06-05 23:45                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-06  0:34                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05 22:52                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-05 22:39                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05 23:34                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2010-06-06  0:02                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06 11:18                           ` Felipe Contreras
2010-06-06 11:26                             ` david
2010-06-06  7:52                         ` [linux-pm] " Vitaly Wool
2010-06-06  8:20                           ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-06  8:32                             ` Vitaly Wool
2010-06-06  9:21                               ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-06  9:56                                 ` david
2010-06-06 11:11                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2010-06-06 10:00                                 ` Vitaly Wool
2010-06-06 10:12                                   ` david
2010-06-06 10:19                                     ` Vitaly Wool
2010-06-06 10:49                                       ` Florian Mickler
2010-06-06 10:57                                         ` Vitaly Wool
2010-06-06 11:14                                         ` david
2010-06-07 12:16                                           ` Florian Mickler
2010-06-09  1:14                                             ` david
2010-06-09  3:46                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-06-09  7:43                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-06-09  9:40                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-09 22:04                                                     ` Neil Brown
2010-06-10  8:59                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-10 12:00                                                         ` Neil Brown
2010-06-10 16:06                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-10 13:57                                                         ` Mark Brown
2010-06-10 15:46                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-10 19:01                                                             ` Mark Brown
2010-06-10 14:47                                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-06-10 15:44                                                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-06 10:46                                   ` Florian Mickler
2010-06-06 11:05                                     ` Alan Cox
2010-06-06 13:34                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-06-06 14:31                                       ` James Bottomley
2010-06-06 15:46                                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-06 17:08                                           ` James Bottomley
2010-06-06 18:04                                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-06 18:44                                               ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-06 19:26                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-06 19:05                                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-06 19:15                                               ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-06 19:24                                                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-06 19:58                                                   ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-06 22:26                                                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-07  8:00                                                       ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-07  8:03                                                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-06-07  8:16                                                       ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-07 13:20                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-07 18:40                                                       ` David Brownell
2010-06-07 23:17                                                       ` Linus Walleij
2010-06-07 23:37                                                         ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-08  2:15                                                         ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2010-06-09 12:33                                                     ` Mark Brown
2010-07-09 19:11                                                     ` HTC Dream drivers was " Pavel Machek
2010-06-06 13:31                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-06-06 15:26                                     ` Vitaly Wool
2010-06-06 15:29                                       ` Matthew Garrett
2010-06-06 15:47                                         ` Vitaly Wool
2010-06-06 16:43                                           ` Matthew Garrett
2010-06-06 17:21                                             ` Vitaly Wool
2010-06-06 17:31                                               ` Matthew Garrett
     [not found]                                                 ` <AANLkTimCd4AUk1wBBcnX9WKvpKA6sNfs8-4Qqb5wMaNH@mail.gmail.com>
2010-06-06 17:48                                                   ` Matthew Garrett
2010-06-06 19:01                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-07 10:25                                                 ` Felipe Contreras
2010-06-07 13:01                                               ` Florian Mickler
2010-06-07  0:01                                         ` Alan Stern
2010-06-07  1:07                                           ` [linux-pm] suspend blockers & Android integrationy Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-07 14:42                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-06-07 15:49                                               ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-07 15:56                                           ` [linux-pm] suspend blockers & Android integration Florian Mickler
2010-06-08  0:57                                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-08  1:13                                             ` Alan Stern
2010-06-04  9:43     ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-04  9:54       ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-04 10:03         ` Ingo Molnar
2010-06-04 10:08           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-04 10:11             ` Brian Swetland
2010-06-04 10:11         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-04 10:13           ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-06-04 23:38       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-05  0:05         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-05  0:39           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05  1:18             ` Matt Helsley
2010-06-05  5:35               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05 18:25                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-05 22:10                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05 23:03                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-06  1:03                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06  2:49                         ` Alan Stern
2010-06-06 11:09                           ` [linux-pm] " Alan Stern
2010-06-08  0:23                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-08  1:09                               ` Alan Stern
2010-06-08  1:31                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-08  2:32                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-06-08  3:05                                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-08 10:19                                       ` Florian Mickler
2010-06-08 14:50                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-06-09  1:48                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-09 15:29                                           ` Alan Stern
2010-06-09 23:42                                             ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-10  4:21                                               ` david
2010-06-10  4:51                                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-10  5:10                                                   ` Neil Brown
2010-06-10 14:39                                                 ` Alan Stern
2010-06-10 14:28                                               ` Alan Stern
2010-06-10 23:02                                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-11  1:44                                                   ` Alan Stern
2010-06-11  3:16                                                     ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-11 14:33                                                       ` Alan Stern
2010-06-11 22:18                                                         ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-12 15:22                                                           ` Alan Stern
2010-06-07 23:16                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06 13:29                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-05  1:33             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-05  5:23               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05 16:47                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-05 21:47                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05 22:11                     ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-05 23:21                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-05 23:39                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-06  0:04                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-06  1:16                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06 10:36                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-06 14:43                               ` Matt Helsley
2010-06-08  0:45                                 ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-07 23:34                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06 10:56                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-08  0:05                               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06  0:19                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-06  1:24                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06  0:32                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-06  1:45                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06 10:01                             ` Thomas Gleixner
2010-06-05 22:44                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-05 23:56                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-06 13:55                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-06-08  0:39                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-06-08  9:11                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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