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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Attilio Rao <attilio.rao@citrix.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"hpa@zytor.com" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Stefano Stabellini <Stefano.Stabellini@eu.citrix.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 1/2] XEN/X86: Improve semantic support for x86_init.mapping.pagetable_reserve
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 15:00:14 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1208241446090.2856@ionos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120824113644.GE11007@konrad-lan.dumpdata.com>

On Fri, 24 Aug 2012, Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk wrote:
> His goal was to document the semantics of the call. We all want to clean
> up the mess of extra calls that don't make sense (remember the
> write_msr_safe one?) and the first step is get some of the calls
> documented so that we know if some of these calls can be moved around
> for refactoring. Attilio went then beyond that being enthuastic about
> this and wrote logic to deal with the description of the semantics.
> In part this would help the refactoring as it would catch runtime
> issues.

No. His logic to deal with the semantics started to imply wrong and
silly semantics in the first place. What's the point of making a
function deal with A != B, where A is required to be equal to B. We do
not add special cases for stuff which cannot happen neither on
baremetal nor on XEN. Period.

> That is at odds with what Peter would like to have fixed:
> (from
> http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/ksummit-2012-discuss/2012-June/000070.html)
> "
>    Hooks and notifiers are a form of "COME FROM" programming, and they
>    make it very hard to reason about the code.  The only way that that
>    can be reasonably mitigated is by having the exact semantics of a
>    hook or notifier -- the preconditions, postconditions, and other
>    invariants -- carefully documented.  Experience has shown that in
>    practice that happens somewhere between rarely and never.
> 
>    Hooks that terminate into hypercalls or otherwise are empty in the
>    "normal" flow are particularly problematic, as it is trivial for a
>    mainstream developer to break them.
> "

I'm not against documentation. I'm against wrong documentation, wrong
and silly semantics and pointless code which tries to deal with cases which
are just wrong to begin with.

I looked at the whole pgt_buf_* mess and it's amazingly stupid. We
could avoid all that dance and make all of that pgt_buf_* stuff static
and provide proper accessor functions and hand start, end, top to the
reserve function instead of fiddling with global variables all over
the place. That'd be a real cleanup and progress.

But we can't do that easily. And why? Because XEN is making magic
decisions based on those globals in mask_rw_pte().

	/*
	 * If the new pfn is within the range of the newly allocated
	 * kernel pagetable, and it isn't being mapped into an
	 * early_ioremap fixmap slot as a freshly allocated page, make sure
	 * it is RO.
	 */
	if (((!is_early_ioremap_ptep(ptep) &&
			pfn >= pgt_buf_start && pfn < pgt_buf_top)) ||
			(is_early_ioremap_ptep(ptep) && pfn != (pgt_buf_end - 1)))

This comment along with the implementation is really a master piece of
obfuscation. Let's see what this is doing. RO is enforced when:

This is not an early ioreamp AND

      pfn >= pgt_buf_start && pfn < pgt_buf_top

So why is this checking pgt_buf_top? The early stuff is installed
within pgt_buf_start and pgt_buf_end. Anything which is >=
pgt_buf_end at this point is completely wrong.

Now the second check is even more interesting:

If this is an early ioremap AND

      pfn != (pgt_buf_end -1 )

then it's forced RO as well.

So this checks whether the early ioremap is happening on the last
allocated pfn from the pgt_buf range.

OMG, really great design! And the comment above that if() obfuscation
is not really helping much.

If anything is missing a semantic documentation and analysis then
definitely code like this which is just a cobbled together steaming
pile of ....

Thanks,

	tglx




  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-08-24 13:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-22 15:08 [PATCH v4 0/2] XEN/X86: Document x86_init.mapping.pagetable_reserve and enforce a better semantic Attilio Rao
2012-08-22 15:08 ` [PATCH v4 1/2] XEN/X86: Improve semantic support for x86_init.mapping.pagetable_reserve Attilio Rao
2012-08-23 15:46   ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-08-23 15:44     ` Attilio Rao
2012-08-23 17:14       ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-08-23 17:13         ` Attilio Rao
2012-08-24 10:03           ` Borislav Petkov
2012-08-24 10:10             ` Attilio Rao
2012-08-24 11:36             ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-08-24 11:57               ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-08-24 13:00               ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2012-08-24 13:24                 ` Attilio Rao
2012-08-24 13:45                   ` Borislav Petkov
2012-08-24 15:18                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-08-24 13:32                 ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-08-24 15:20                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-08-24 17:27                     ` Stefano Stabellini
2012-08-24 20:10                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-08-22 15:08 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] XEN: Document the semantic of x86_init.mapping.pagetable_reserve Attilio Rao

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