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From: "Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@linux-mips.org>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dealing with the NMI mess
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2015 09:19:01 +0100 (BST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.20.1509070901390.10227@eddie.linux-mips.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150907074218.GC19280@gmail.com>

On Mon, 7 Sep 2015, Ingo Molnar wrote:

> >  I did some work on this a few years ago, including emulating DR0-7 accesses in 
> > software down the JTAG handler upon a General Detect fault to keep the kernel 
> > both happy and away from real debug registers. ;) Yes, you can debug any 
> > software with this stuff, including the Linux kernel: set instruction and data 
> > breakpoints, single-step it, poke at all hardware registers, including 
> > descriptor registers not otherwise accessible (you can set funny modes for 
> > segments, also in the 64-bit mode), etc.  One complication though is you operate 
> > on physical addresses when poking at memory, you can't ask the CPU's MMU to 
> > remap them for you (you can walk page tables manually of course, just as the MMU 
> > would).
> 
> Essentially the ICE breakpoint instruction enters SMM mode?

 I didn't do stuff at the probe firmware level so I can't say for sure, 
but my gut feeling is the debug mode is indeed very close if not the same 
as SMM.  I think duplicating the logic would be an unnecessary waste of 
silicon.

 And obviously it's any cause of #DB that enters this mode.  The probe can
also request it right at the exit from the reset state, so that you can 
debug software (e.g BIOS startup) right from the reset vector.  You don't 
need working RAM for that.

  Maciej

  reply	other threads:[~2015-09-07  8:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-23 20:21 Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 20:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 20:49   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:08     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:31       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-23 21:46         ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 21:46           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:50             ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 21:48         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:50           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:59             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24  8:13               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24  9:02                 ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 11:58                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 12:43                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 13:03                     ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 13:21                       ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 13:30                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 13:33                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 14:31                         ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 14:59                           ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 15:16                             ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 15:26                               ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 15:30                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 15:33                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 18:29                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 18:41                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 19:05                                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 19:55                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 20:22                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 20:51                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 21:07                                           ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 21:08                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30 15:41                                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-30 21:22                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30 21:58                                                 ` Brian Gerst
2015-07-30 22:59                                                 ` Thomas Gleixner
2015-07-31  4:22                                                 ` Borislav Petkov
2015-07-31  5:11                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-31  7:51                                                     ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-31  8:03                                                     ` Borislav Petkov
2015-07-31  9:27                                                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-31 10:25                                                         ` Borislav Petkov
2015-07-31 10:26                                                           ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-31 10:32                                                             ` Borislav Petkov
2015-09-07  5:39                                                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-09-07  7:42                                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2015-09-07  8:19                                                           ` Maciej W. Rozycki [this message]
2015-09-07 10:19                                                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-09-07 17:01                                                               ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-09-07 17:22                                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-07 19:30                                                                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-09-07 21:56                                                                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-08 16:21                                                                       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2015-07-24 23:53                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 15:34                                 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 15:49                                   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 15:48                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-24 16:02                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 16:08                     ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 16:31                       ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 16:06                   ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-24 16:25                   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 17:21                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-24 17:10                   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-24 17:20                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-30 15:54                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2015-07-24 17:21                     ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 20:52   ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 20:53     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:07       ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 21:13     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:18       ` Willy Tarreau
2015-07-23 21:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-23 21:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:45       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 21:54         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-23 21:59           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-23 22:03             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-07-24 10:28             ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-24 11:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-23 21:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-07-23 21:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2015-07-23 21:46   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-24 16:33 ` Raymond Jennings

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