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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Boris Burkov <boris@bur.io>, Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
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	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>, Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org>,
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	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
	Carlos Maiolino <cem@kernel.org>,
	Usama Arif <usama.arif@linux.dev>,
	Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
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	kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/5] mm: sub-folio dirty tracking for PTE-mapped mmap writes
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2026 17:27:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqrDfoFFr8o0Mf0G@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ap6LFvuOuWf_BkGi@thinkstation>

On Mon, Sep 07, 2026 at 11:15:15AM +0100, Kiryl Shutsemau wrote:
> Boris pointed me to Matthew's proposal to remove ->dirty_folio:
> 
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/aoyWln-Gt-yvZQkE@casper.infradead.org

Thanks, Boris ;-)

> I agree that the current ->dirty_folio() makes little sense and that
> dirtying the folio can be bundled into ->page_mkwrite(), as they are
> matched 1-to-1.
> 
> My proposal makes the distinction between making the folio writable and
> making it dirty meaningful. ->page_mkwrite() allocates whatever is needed
> on the filesystem side to track dirty state and drive writeback for the
> *folio*, while ->dirty_folio_range() marks part of the folio dirty.

Why do you think that's a meaningful distinction?  We create a writable
PTE because we've taken a page fault for write.  There's probably a few
naoseconds where the PTE is writable+clean before it becomes
writable+dirty, but even then sometimes we do both pte_mkwrite() and
pte_mkdirty() as an optimisation in the write fault path.

> We can still drop ->dirty_folio(). A filesystem can provide
> ->dirty_folio_range() if it wants fine-grained (sub-folio) dirty
> tracking.
> 
> A separate question is whether we want to avoid installing a writable PMD
> entry for filesystems that want fine-grained dirty tracking. I have a
> patch for this, but it deserves a separate discussion once we agree that we
> want this for PTE-mapped folios first.
> 
> Any feedback?

It's very odd to be optimising for shared-writable-mmap.  This is a
horrid model for I/O.  https://cs.brown.edu/people/acrotty/pubs/p13-crotty.pdf


  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-16 16:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-03 18:29 Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-03 18:29 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] mm: let folio_mkclean() report which pages had dirty PTEs Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-09 10:12   ` Usama Arif
2026-09-10 13:36     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-03 18:29 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] mm: add a_ops->dirty_folio_range() and use the mkclean dirty harvest Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-09 10:51   ` Usama Arif
2026-09-10 14:54     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-03 18:29 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] mm: keep the mmap dirty range down to the faulting page Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-03 18:29 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] iomap: narrow page_mkwrite() dirtying " Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-03 18:29 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] xfs: track mmap dirty state per block Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-03 19:55 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] mm: sub-folio dirty tracking for PTE-mapped mmap writes Pedro Falcato
2026-09-03 21:18   ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-07 10:15 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-16 16:27   ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2026-09-16 17:09     ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-16 17:19       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-09-09 10:02 ` Usama Arif
2026-09-09 10:15   ` Kiryl Shutsemau

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