From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: "André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>
Cc: "Catalin Marinas" <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
"Will Deacon" <will@kernel.org>,
"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@kernel.org>,
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"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@kernel.org>,
"Davidlohr Bueso" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 1/4] arm64: vdso: Prepare for robust futex unlock support
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 11:01:11 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqu6ZzMpunlKDIwm@J2N7QTR9R3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4cc1a199-8917-4a93-91f8-138ca1511cff@igalia.com>
On Wed, Sep 16, 2026 at 10:05:38PM -0300, André Almeida wrote:
> Em 16/09/2026 11:24, Mark Rutland escreveu:
> > I reckon this might also be clearer as:
> >
> > | if (regs->regs[3])
> > | return NULL;
> > |
> > | return (void __user *)regs->regs[2];
> >
> > Do we need a __force cast here, or is sparse happy without that?
>
> I've just re-compiled those patches with C=1, and didn't find any warning
> for this.
Perfect, thanks for confirming!
[...]
> > > + futex_set_vdso_cs_range(fd, is_32bit ? 1 : 0, start, end, is_32bit);
> >
> > On arm64 (and every architecture other than x86, AFAICT), the
> > native/compat VDSOs are mutually exclusive, and a single mm can only
> > have one of them.
> >
> > Given that, I think we can make this:
> >
> > futex_set_vdso_cs_range(fd, 0, start, end, is_32bit);
> >
> > That way we'll avoid confusing/bikesheeding over 'is_32bit ? 1 : 0',
> > without having to add mnemnonics for the native/compat CS indices.
>
> Perfect, I will simplify that then.
>
> > That said, what's the plan for 32-bit robust lists on a 64-bit host?
> > IIUC you wanted that for emulation, and AFAICT you have no way to call
> > __vdso_futex_robust_list32_try_unlock() from a native task.
>
> Yes, the plan is to be able to use the 32-bit robust lists on a 64-bit
> hosts, with a new interface (set/get_robust_list2[1]). That means that a
> 64-bit kernel will be able to process an user robust list made of 32-bit
> pointers. So the emulator will call set_robust_list2() one time for it's own
> list, and another time for the emulated app list.
>
> However, what we have agreed for the moment is that, while there's no
> support for that, we will not expose the 32-bit functions yet [2]:
Ah, thanks for the pointer! I had mistakenly assumed that some of
that had already happened.
I guess the common logic for futex_set_vdso_cs_range() will need to
change at that point I guess if/when that happens, you'd expect to add
__vdso_futex_robust_list32_try_unlock() into the 64-bit VDSO, regardless
of compat?
Mark.
> "...that requires also the ability to register a 32-bit robust list for a
> 64-bit process, which is not supported right now. So no, we are not exposing
> something half functional..."
>
> So yes, in the near future I will need to expose
> __vdso_futex_robust_list32_try_unlock() to 64-bit apps as well, to be able
> to do this handling with 32-bit pointers, but we are not doing it right now.
>
> [1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20251122-tonyk-robust_futex-v6-0-05fea005a0fd@igalia.com/
>
> [2] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/878q9vwote.ffs@tglx/
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-17 10:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-21 21:50 [PATCH v8 0/4] arm64: vdso: Implement __vdso_futex_robust_try_unlock() André Almeida
2026-08-21 21:50 ` [PATCH v8 1/4] arm64: vdso: Prepare for robust futex unlock support André Almeida
2026-09-16 14:24 ` Mark Rutland
2026-09-17 1:05 ` André Almeida
2026-09-17 10:01 ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2026-09-17 14:40 ` André Almeida
2026-08-21 21:50 ` [PATCH v8 2/4] arm64: vdso: Implement __vdso_futex_robust_try_unlock() André Almeida
2026-09-16 14:27 ` Mark Rutland
2026-09-17 1:06 ` André Almeida
2026-09-17 10:45 ` Mark Rutland
2026-08-21 21:50 ` [PATCH v8 3/4] arm64: vdso32: Bring vdso32-offsets.h back André Almeida
2026-08-21 21:50 ` [PATCH v8 4/4] arm64: vdso32: Implement __vdso_futex_robust_try_unlock() André Almeida
2026-09-16 14:28 ` Mark Rutland
2026-09-17 1:11 ` André Almeida
2026-09-17 10:50 ` Mark Rutland
2026-09-17 14:41 ` André Almeida
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