From: David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>
To: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 12/12] Documentation: PCI: Add documentation for Live Update
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 23:33:56 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aqx45FqmkRps0wCF@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260917213912.GA1049556@bhelgaas>
On 2026-09-17 04:39 PM, Bjorn Helgaas wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2026 at 10:10:06PM +0000, David Matlack wrote:
> > Add documentation files for the PCI subsystem's participation in Live
> > Update.
> >
> > These documentation files are generated from the kernel-doc comments
> > in the PCI Live Update source code. They describe the File-Lifecycle
> > Bound (FLB) API, the device tracking API, and the specific policies
>
> Most uses fully hyphenate this: "File-Lifecycle-Bound" data, object,
> etc.
Ack, will fix.
>
> > applied to preserved devices (such as bus number inheritance and bus
> > mastering preservation).
> >
> > Reviewed-by: Pranjal Shrivastava <praan@google.com>
> > Signed-off-by: David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>
>
> Reviewed-by: Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>
>
> > ---
> > Documentation/PCI/index.rst | 1 +
> > Documentation/PCI/liveupdate.rst | 35 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > Documentation/core-api/liveupdate.rst | 1 +
> > MAINTAINERS | 1 +
> > 4 files changed, 38 insertions(+)
> > create mode 100644 Documentation/PCI/liveupdate.rst
> >
> > diff --git a/Documentation/PCI/index.rst b/Documentation/PCI/index.rst
> > index 5d720d2a415e..23fb737ac969 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/PCI/index.rst
> > +++ b/Documentation/PCI/index.rst
> > @@ -20,3 +20,4 @@ PCI Bus Subsystem
> > controller/index
> > boot-interrupts
> > tph
> > + liveupdate
> > diff --git a/Documentation/PCI/liveupdate.rst b/Documentation/PCI/liveupdate.rst
> > new file mode 100644
> > index 000000000000..96b1d7f5df3a
> > --- /dev/null
> > +++ b/Documentation/PCI/liveupdate.rst
> > @@ -0,0 +1,35 @@
> > +.. SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0-or-later
> > +
> > +===========================
> > +PCI Support for Live Update
> > +===========================
> > +
> > +.. kernel-doc:: drivers/pci/liveupdate.c
> > + :doc: PCI Live Update
> > +
> > +Driver API
> > +==========
> > +
> > +.. kernel-doc:: drivers/pci/liveupdate.c
> > + :export:
> > +
> > +Internal API
> > +============
> > +
> > +.. kernel-doc:: drivers/pci/liveupdate.c
> > + :internal:
> > +
> > +Live Update ABI
> > +===============
> > +
> > +.. kernel-doc:: include/linux/kho/abi/pci.h
> > + :doc: PCI File-Lifecycle Bound (FLB) Live Update ABI
>
> Ditto (and in include/linux/kho/abi/pci.h itself).
>
> Trying to understand the FLB concept, I found
> kernel/liveupdate/luo_flb.c. I know that's already merged so this
> isn't really the place to ask about it. But FWIW here are some
> questions from this naive reader:
>
> File-Lifecycle-Bound (FLB) objects provide a mechanism for managing
> global state that is shared across multiple live-updatable files.
> The lifecycle of this shared state is tied to the preservation of
> the files that depend on it.
>
> I understand "global state", but I don't know whether "global" is
> relevant here.
>
> I don't know what "shared across live-updatable files" means. Is the
> sharing a fundamental aspect or just a typical use case reflecting the
> level the data is for (e.g., bus vs device)?
LUO is fundamentally a system for preserving files across a kexec. FLB
solves 2 related but independent problems that arise when trying to
preserve files:
1. For certain types of files, there is some data that needs to be
preserved that is not necessarily tied to one specific file. Instead it
is shared across multiple files. FLB gives you a way to allocate and
preserve such shared data. The association between FLB and file
handlers tells LUO which types of files require which FLBs to be
allocated.
2. For certain types of files, the next kernel needs information about
preserved state before userspace has come up and is ready to restore
the preserved files. FLB solves this by existing separate from the
preserved files and thus can be fetched during early boot.
For the PCI core we use FLB to solve both these problems.
1. The files userspace is preserving are VFIO device files that
correspond with endpoint PCI devices. Bridges can be shared across
multiple endpoints so the PCI FLB gives us a way to track those
independent of the VFIO endpoint state that is inside the file.
2. The PCI core needs to know during enumeration which devices were
preserved by the previous kernel so that it can set up those devices
differently, e.g., adopt ACS controls instead of programming new ones.
The PCI FLB contains the full list of preserved devices, making this
possible.
> I'm imagining a *kernel* being "live-updated", i.e., a kernel being
> updated while things around it (devices, some user-space things) stay
> alive, so I guess "live-updatable files" would be preserved across a
> kexec? I don't think of devices as being "live-updated" since they
> themselves aren't being updated; in fact, the whole point is that they
> *aren't* updated.
Yeah I think live-updatable is not an accurate way to describe these
files. I would say "preserved files" instead.
> Do these FLB objects appear in a filesystem? Or are they merely blobs
> of data that are preserved across kexec? I suppose there must be a
> mechanism for the new kernel to identify and request one of the
> several FLB objects saved by the pre-kexec kernel?
They are not exposed anywhere in the filesystem. They are blobs of data
(e.g. struct pci_ser) that the kernel hands off to the next kernel
across the kexec. To request a specific incoming FLB (i.e., FLB passed
by the previous kernel) liveupdate_flb_get_incoming(). Strings are used
to uniquely identify an FLB. PCI_LUO_FLB_COMPATIBLE ("pci") is the
string used for the PCI core's FLB.
> What does "lifecycle is tied to preservation of files" mean? I
> expected to learn about the beginning and end of the object lifetime.
Specifically it means:
- Just before the first file goes through liveupdate_file_ops::preserve(),
the outgoing FLB is allocated (liveupdate_flb_ops::preserve()).
- Just after the last file goes through liveupdate_file_ops::unpreserve(),
the outgoing FLB is freed (liveupdate_flb_ops::unpreserve()).
- Just after the last file goes through liveupdate_file_ops::finish(),
the incoming FLB is freed (liveupdate_flb_ops::finish()).
> An FLB represents a global resource, such as the IOMMU core state,
> that is required by multiple file descriptors (e.g., all VFIO fds).
>
> I have the impression that the important thing about FLB is the
> lifetime of some data, e.g., something that lasts longer than the
> kernel that produced it.
I think that is fair way to think about it.
> The preservation of the FLB's state is triggered when the *first*
> file depending on it is preserved. The cleanup of this state
> (unpreserve or finish) is triggered when the *last* file depending
> on it is unpreserved or finished.
>
> Maybe this means .unpreserve() (in pre-kexec kernel) or .finish() (in
> new post-kexec kernel) is the end of an FLB object lifetime?
Hopefully my comment about explains this more clearly.
> > +.. kernel-doc:: include/linux/kho/abi/pci.h
> > + :internal:
> > +
> > +See Also
> > +========
> > +
> > + * :doc:`/core-api/liveupdate`
> > + * :doc:`/core-api/kho/index`
> > diff --git a/Documentation/core-api/liveupdate.rst b/Documentation/core-api/liveupdate.rst
> > index b3c689e633c1..2bce2644eba2 100644
> > --- a/Documentation/core-api/liveupdate.rst
> > +++ b/Documentation/core-api/liveupdate.rst
> > @@ -74,3 +74,4 @@ See Also
> >
> > - :doc:`Live Update uAPI </userspace-api/liveupdate>`
> > - :doc:`/core-api/kho/index`
> > +- :doc:`PCI </PCI/liveupdate>`
> > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> > index 08a724b860dc..347c435ca404 100644
> > --- a/MAINTAINERS
> > +++ b/MAINTAINERS
> > @@ -20833,6 +20833,7 @@ L: kexec@lists.infradead.org
> > L: linux-pci@vger.kernel.org
> > S: Maintained
> > T: git git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/liveupdate/linux.git
> > +F: Documentation/PCI/liveupdate.rst
> > F: drivers/pci/liveupdate.c
> > F: drivers/pci/liveupdate.h
> > F: include/linux/kho/abi/pci.h
> > --
> > 2.55.0.487.gaf234c4eb3-goog
> >
>
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Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-28 22:09 [PATCH v8 00/12] PCI: liveupdate: PCI core support " David Matlack
2026-07-28 22:09 ` [PATCH v8 01/12] PCI: liveupdate: Set up FLB handler for the PCI core David Matlack
2026-08-17 21:12 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-09-10 23:48 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-09-11 16:44 ` David Matlack
2026-09-16 23:50 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-09-18 0:48 ` David Matlack
2026-09-18 18:49 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-07-28 22:09 ` [PATCH v8 02/12] PCI: liveupdate: Track outgoing preserved PCI devices David Matlack
2026-08-24 20:14 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-08-27 21:47 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-09-16 3:10 ` Zhu Yanjun
2026-09-16 14:58 ` David Matlack
2026-07-28 22:09 ` [PATCH v8 03/12] PCI: liveupdate: Track incoming " David Matlack
2026-08-24 20:13 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-09-10 23:49 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-09-11 16:45 ` David Matlack
2026-09-16 3:31 ` Zhu Yanjun
2026-09-16 17:28 ` David Matlack
2026-09-16 18:25 ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-09-16 18:31 ` David Matlack
2026-09-16 18:58 ` Pratyush Yadav
2026-09-16 19:23 ` David Matlack
2026-07-28 22:09 ` [PATCH v8 04/12] PCI: liveupdate: Document driver binding responsibilities David Matlack
2026-09-10 23:50 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-07-28 22:09 ` [PATCH v8 05/12] PCI: liveupdate: Preserve bus numbers during Live Update David Matlack
2026-09-10 23:51 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-09-11 18:30 ` David Matlack
2026-09-12 17:31 ` David Matlack
2026-09-16 23:54 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-07-28 22:10 ` [PATCH v8 06/12] PCI: liveupdate: Auto-preserve upstream bridges across " David Matlack
2026-08-24 13:41 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-10 23:51 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-09-11 17:00 ` David Matlack
2026-09-17 0:18 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-09-17 23:42 ` David Matlack
2026-09-17 0:07 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-09-17 23:44 ` David Matlack
2026-07-28 22:10 ` [PATCH v8 07/12] PCI: Refactor matching logic for pci_dev_acs_ops David Matlack
2026-07-28 22:10 ` [PATCH v8 08/12] PCI: liveupdate: Adopt ACS controls in incoming preserved devices David Matlack
2026-08-24 13:42 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-10 23:51 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-09-11 18:31 ` David Matlack
2026-09-14 16:45 ` David Matlack
2026-09-17 0:23 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-07-28 22:10 ` [PATCH v8 09/12] PCI: liveupdate: Adopt ARI Forwarding Enable on preserved bridges David Matlack
2026-08-24 13:43 ` Pranjal Shrivastava
2026-09-17 19:47 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-07-28 22:10 ` [PATCH v8 10/12] PCI: liveupdate: Freeze preservation status during shutdown David Matlack
2026-08-24 20:07 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-09-17 20:17 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-09-17 23:38 ` David Matlack
2026-07-28 22:10 ` [PATCH v8 11/12] PCI: liveupdate: Do not disable bus mastering on preserved devices during kexec David Matlack
2026-08-24 20:02 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-09-17 20:19 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-07-28 22:10 ` [PATCH v8 12/12] Documentation: PCI: Add documentation for Live Update David Matlack
2026-08-24 20:01 ` Samiullah Khawaja
2026-09-17 21:39 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2026-09-17 23:33 ` David Matlack [this message]
2026-08-18 17:01 ` [PATCH v8 00/12] PCI: liveupdate: PCI core support " David Matlack
2026-09-10 21:37 ` Pasha Tatashin
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