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From: Leonardo Bras <leo.bras@arm.com>
To: Tian Zheng <zhengtian10@huawei.com>
Cc: Leonardo Bras <leo.bras@arm.com>,
	Oliver Upton <oupton@kernel.org>, Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Fuad Tabba <fuad.tabba@linux.dev>,
	Joey Gouly <joey.gouly@arm.com>,
	Steffen Eiden <seiden@linux.ibm.com>,
	Suzuki K Poulose <suzuki.poulose@arm.com>,
	Zenghui Yu <yuzenghui@huawei.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Raghavendra Rao Ananta <rananta@google.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, kvmarm@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/5] KVM: arm64: pgtables: Change write bit from S2AP_W to DBM
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2026 15:15:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <arE8EOPh1-NWtFIU@LeoBrasDK> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <eb629070-a02f-426a-92ee-b2c8f9e2aa9a@huawei.com>

On Fri, Sep 18, 2026 at 05:39:17PM +0800, Tian Zheng wrote:
> 
> 
> On 9/16/2026 7:22 PM, Leonardo Bras wrote:
> > On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 05:37:15PM -0700, Oliver Upton wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2026 at 06:12:45PM +0100, Leonardo Bras wrote:
> > > > > Yes, the HW should ignore it. But we have also
> > > > > seen quite a few broken designs in this area...
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I lack experience on what bad thing could happen. So I will expand on what
> > > > I belive to understand up to here:
> > > > 
> > > > - The PTE is in memory, so the DBM bit can be set regardless of being RES0
> > > > - For SW pagetable walking, I don't think 'bit 51 == 0' is checked
> > > > - For HW pagetable walking, maybe some faulty implementation may rely on
> > > >    bit51 being RES0, and fault otherwise.
> > > > 
> > > > If that's the case, then we would have to actually support both encodings,
> > > > and only enable the new one if HAFDBS is available in the system.
> > > > 
> > > > I just wonder how high are the chances to have such a broken design,
> > > > or other broken designs did not come to my mind, and if we have to start
> > > > with that multiple-encoding option.
> > > 
> > > FWIW, the host stage-1 already uses the DBM bit unconditionally,
> > > treating it as a software bit on implementations without HAFDBS.
> > > Although given the quality of any garden variety Arm MMU I understand
> > > where Marc is coming from.
> > > 
> > > I don't think the HAFDBS enablement is complicated enough to be done in
> > > a separate series without any meaningful users, nor would I really be
> > > interested in taking it without, say, HDBSS.
> > > 
> > > Can you please work with Tian to get a combined series out for this?
> > > 
> > 
> > Hi Oliver, thanks for reviewing!
> > 
> > Sure, one of the reasons I sent like this is so Tian could use it as a base
> > for his next version.
> > 
> > 
> 
> Hi Oliver, Leo,
> 
> Works for us. I plan to send HDBSS v5 maybe next week with this series
> merged in. Both dirty-tracking consumers are already built on top of the
> DBM approach: dirty ring and dirty bitmap.
> 
> Leo, with your blessing, I'd like to pick patches 1-4 into the HDBSS
> tree with your Signed-off-by preserved and mine added on top, plus some
> bug fixes on top of this RFC series.

Yeah, no problem on my side. I would just observe the maintainers' comments 
on those before merging them.

> 
> For patch 5, I'd like to rework it into a derived hardware dirty mode
> that replaces both kvm_set_hafdbs() and our earlier HDBSS enable/disable
> hooks, so the whole thing lands as one series.
> 

My intention when I wrote that patch was to add a base so you could add 
HDBSS on kvm_arch_commit_memory_region() with new patch such as:

	/* Disable HAFDBS when dirty-logging starts */
	if (kvm_supports_hafdbs(kvm))
		kvm_set_hafdbs(kvm, 0);
+	else
+		kvm_enable_hdbss(kvm);
...

	/* If dirty-logging was canceled, set HAFDBS back on */
	if (kvm_supports_hafdbs(kvm) &&
	    atomic_read(&kvm->nr_memslots_dirty_logging) == 0)
		kvm_set_hafdbs(kvm, 1);
+	else
+		kvm_disable_hdbss(kvm);


That being said, I need to run tests to make sure the usage of HAFDBS 
outside of dirty_tracking makes any sense in terms of performance, but if 
that's not the case, it would be fine to rework it so it does not 
enable/disable HAFDBS there.

> Performance looks good in both dirty ring and dirty bitmap scenarios so
> far.
> 

Awesome!

Thanks!
Leo

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-21 14:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-01 17:15 [RFC PATCH 0/5] KVM: arm64: New PTE dirty-page encoding, HAFDBS new usage Leonardo Bras
2026-09-01 17:15 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] KVM: arm64: pgtables: Change write bit from S2AP_W to DBM Leonardo Bras
2026-09-13  9:00   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-15 17:12     ` Leonardo Bras
2026-09-16  0:37       ` Oliver Upton
2026-09-16 11:22         ` Leonardo Bras
2026-09-16 12:20           ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-16 13:25             ` Leonardo Bras
2026-09-18 11:43               ` Tian Zheng
2026-09-18  9:39           ` Tian Zheng
2026-09-21 14:15             ` Leonardo Bras [this message]
2026-09-16  8:30       ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-16 13:03         ` Leonardo Bras
2026-09-01 17:15 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] KVM: arm64: Add KVM_PGTABLE_PROT_DIRTY Leonardo Bras
2026-09-13  9:09   ` Marc Zyngier
2026-09-15 17:33     ` Leonardo Bras
2026-09-01 17:15 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] KVM: arm64: Introduce a dedicated walker for stage2 write-protect Leonardo Bras
2026-09-01 17:15 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] KVM: arm64: Add KVM_REQ_RELOAD_STAGE2 Leonardo Bras
2026-09-02  3:41   ` Tian Zheng
2026-09-02 10:53     ` Leonardo Bras
2026-09-01 17:15 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] KVM: arm64: Enable HAFDBS for guests not on migration Leonardo Bras
2026-09-16  0:10   ` Oliver Upton
2026-09-16 14:00     ` Leonardo Bras
2026-09-16 23:27       ` Oliver Upton
2026-09-17 13:40         ` Leonardo Bras
2026-09-18 11:58   ` Tian Zheng
2026-09-21 14:28     ` Leonardo Bras
2026-09-12 12:24 ` [RFC PATCH 0/5] KVM: arm64: New PTE dirty-page encoding, HAFDBS new usage Marc Zyngier
2026-09-15 15:31   ` Leonardo Bras

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