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From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
To: "Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>
Cc: Matt Fleming <matt@readmodwrite.com>,
	Salvatore Dipietro <dipiets@amazon.it>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, abuehaze@amazon.com,
	alisaidi@amazon.com, blakgeof@amazon.com, brauner@kernel.org,
	brendan.jackman@linux.dev, david@redhat.com, dgc@kernel.org,
	dipietro.salvatore@gmail.com, djwong@kernel.org,
	hch@infradead.org, hch@lst.de, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org, mhocko@suse.com,
	ritesh.list@gmail.com, rvvandan@amazon.com,
	stable@vger.kernel.org, surenb@google.com, willy@infradead.org,
	ziy@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm: page_alloc: remove ALLOC_NON_BLOCK from ALLOC_RESERVES
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2026 10:00:16 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <arKJ8BXOXknpmiu4@cmpxchg.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <72674485-6ec2-4cb4-a854-b937333cbf97@kernel.org>

On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 02:06:34PM +0200, Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) wrote:
> On 9/21/26 4:39 PM, Johannes Weiner wrote:
> > 1ebbb21811b7 ("mm/page_alloc: explicitly define how __GFP_HIGH
> > non-blocking allocations accesses reserves") stopped handing out
> > reserve access for ALLOC_NON_BLOCK on its own: the extra 25% below the
> > min watermark is now only granted on top of ALLOC_MIN_RESERVE. But the
> > flag was left in ALLOC_RESERVES, which produces something odd:
> > 
> > With the ALLOC_RESERVES match, __zone_watermark_unusable_free() doesn't
> > subtract the free highatomic pages for them. So in the slowpath, they
> > get to consume regular blocks below the min watermark by the number of
> > free highatomic pages. The highatomic reserve is capped at 1% of the
> > zone, which on any decently sized machine is a multiple of the min
> > watermark: GFP_NOWAIT can drain regular memory to zero.
> > 
> > The user-visible result is brutal hiccups during bursts of GFP_NOWAIT
> > allocations under memory pressure. On a 32G box with an anonymous
> > working set, swap, and a filled 290M highatomic reserve, a GFP_NOWAIT
> > burst drove regular free memory in the 28G Normal zone (min=60M) to
> > 28M, 0.8M and 0.6M in three runs. Swapout failed to allocate its swap
> > table, reclaim scanned 13M pages to reclaim 200k, page faults stalled
> > for tens to hundreds of milliseconds. The machine survives it, but not
> > by design: direct reclaimers eventually fail and start unreserving
> > highatomic blocks, until the allocation succeeds or the reserve is
> > gone and the OOM killer runs. That reserve exists for high-order
> > atomic allocations; here it is destroyed to bail out a GFP_NOWAIT
> > consumer that was never entitled to the memory.
> 
> This suggests to me that a LLM review of 1/2 spotted this issue and also
> (or you) constructed a test doing the GFP_NOWAIT bursts to confirm the
> impact, but it has not been observed in production? But if it was, can
> we make it clear?

Yes, and yes. The test is manufactured, I just pushed it to stick to a
realistic sequence of events. But it wasn't observed in the wild.

> The change itself is fine and we don't need ALLOC_NON_BLOCK in
> ALLOC_RESERVES. But I wonder if we should also make the
> __zone_watermark_unusable_free() check more precise, by using
> may_access_highatomic_reserves() there instead of ALLOC_RESERVES?
> Which would mean that the function should however also evaluate
> ALLOC_HIGHATOMIC, and restrict the other checks to order=0, to be usable
> from both callers.

I responded to this in 1/2 because it had more context.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-22 14:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-04 11:56 [PATCH v4] mm/page_alloc: avoid direct compaction for costly __GFP_NORETRY allocations Salvatore Dipietro
2026-09-04 14:11 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-09-04 15:08   ` Zi Yan
2026-09-07  7:30     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-09-09  2:33       ` Zi Yan
2026-09-09  8:51         ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-09-04 16:10 ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-06  0:42 ` Andrew Morton
2026-09-06 23:05   ` Dave Chinner
2026-09-10 11:46   ` Salvatore Dipietro
2026-09-10 22:00     ` Andrew Morton
2026-09-11 14:30       ` Salvatore Dipietro
2026-09-11 15:59     ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-16 11:24       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-09-16 15:58         ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-16 22:34           ` Andrew Morton
2026-09-16 22:35             ` Andrew Morton
2026-09-19  4:13               ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-09-21  9:35                 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-09-18  7:05           ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-09-18 21:28             ` Andrew Morton
2026-09-22  8:44               ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-09-21 14:37             ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-21 14:38               ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: page_alloc: do not give all non-blocking requests reserve access Johannes Weiner
2026-09-21 14:54                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-09-21 15:58                   ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-22 11:52                     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-09-22 13:56                       ` Johannes Weiner
2026-09-21 14:39               ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: page_alloc: remove ALLOC_NON_BLOCK from ALLOC_RESERVES Johannes Weiner
2026-09-22 12:06                 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-09-22 14:00                   ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2026-09-07  5:54 ` [PATCH v4] mm/page_alloc: avoid direct compaction for costly __GFP_NORETRY allocations Christoph Hellwig

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